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Islam in Europe: perception and reality
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
(April 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm)abaris Wrote: For the victims it's entirely irrelevant.

Say, you're been held hostage by someone. I go in, shoot the assailant and your children in the process. The assailant's gone, but so are your kids. If you now come back with you would thank me for that, you're either totally dishonest or so far removed from reality that it doesn't warrant any further discussion.

That's the real point, not intent.
And yet in judging the ethical value of your action--you know, like, should you be punished for it or not--the most important question is whether or not you intended to shoot my children, or did you do whatever was in your means to protect them?

That's my point.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 28, 2016 at 2:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 28, 2016 at 4:25 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 29, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 8:05 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 28, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 1, 2016 at 3:37 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 1, 2016 at 9:36 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 3, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - March 28, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 5:02 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Silver - March 29, 2016 at 2:27 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 29, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:16 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:10 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:23 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:33 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:38 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:48 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 8:28 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 30, 2016 at 1:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 31, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 1, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 5:26 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 31, 2016 at 1:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 31, 2016 at 10:52 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 1:17 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 2:18 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - April 3, 2016 at 12:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:18 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 4:31 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - April 4, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 2:52 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:32 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:38 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:39 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 5, 2016 at 12:35 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 5, 2016 at 3:57 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 5, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 6, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 10:11 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 4:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 7, 2016 at 4:45 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 7, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 11:22 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Mudhammam - April 10, 2016 at 12:12 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 12:51 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Mudhammam - April 10, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 5:28 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 7:14 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 9, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 5:36 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 13, 2016 at 9:35 am

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