(April 22, 2016 at 1:00 am)Godschild Wrote:(April 20, 2016 at 10:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If God died then the universe doesn't need him to exist. Consequently God is irrelevant.
A man died, he was also God but without His powers. Christ laid down his powers in heaven to become a man capable of sin. If Christ had come with his powers He would not have been able to sin, this is very important to understand, if you don't you'll never be able to understand why He was the perfect man (sinless) who sacrificed his life for mankind. See what happens when you refuse to study the scriptures and find out what they actually say, you make your own version of the story, a version that's little more than a lie.
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Oh we understand what the story claims, bub. We just think it's hilarious that you can't see the marks of a man turned into a myth, then into a god.
God became a man, to show us the way by being a sinless human. He became such a man that he begged himself not to force himself to let himself be murdered so a plan made by himself (to allow humans to be forgiven--by him--of sins, which he made up himself) could go forth. He then asked why he had forsaken himself, as he was being murdered.
Yeah. Sounds like a god. Nope! Sounds like a regular old apocalyptic preacher killed by the Romans to keep the peace, and turned into a legend by his followers. You just can't see that because you're still in the cult.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.