Three Questions for God

[Drich]

See, now that wasn't so difficult to answer, was it? All of your ridiculous "the word 'see' can also mean this and that" tap dancing was completely unnecessary when it was clear I was asking about the visual spectrum.

Ever watch The Karate Kid? Was sanding the floor, or Waxing the cars just pointless busy work, was it the Japanese version of 'tap dancing?' or did the set up the fundamentals and give perspective that D/S would not otherwise be able to master on his own?

What if Mayagi taught Daniel San the things he wanted, in the order he wanted, in the style he wanted, because he was expecting a certain formula of martial arts training from his time at the YMCA Karate Program 'back Home?'

He would have been 'squish just like grape.'

The same is true here, if your looking to see only through the visual spectrum and don't know what to look for then there would be no way for you to know if you've seen the evidence of God or not. Therefore it is necessary to break you of your YMCA training methods and try and get you to wash and wax a few cars first.

That's just ludicrous. A "hard heart" has no bearing on things visible in the typical range detectable by human eyes.

says the douche with a hard heart. As it is entirely possible to see something in the visual spectrum and not understand or even acknowledge it. a Hard heart will not allow you to accept any explanation that does not fit your YMCA trainning.

If Daniel San went to Mr.Mayagi and told him to "pound sand and wash his own cars, because this is not how you learn karate, because I know how you are supposed to learn karate because of my YMCA trainning." It can be said the Daniel san went to mayagi with a hard heart and a closed mind. And because of this Daniel san would have never 'seen' what waxing cars, sanding floors, painting house and painting fence had to do with Karate. Let alone obtain a mastery of it in a very short time.

You are Daniel San. Your YMCA trainning is a scientific approach of obtaining awareness to God that philosophically will not bend or bow to your small box thinking. Rather God has demanded we humble ourselves to Him first, like Daniel San washing and waxing those cars or painting ect.. Once we do, He has promised to lift us up. It is only after we submit to the 'training' that we get the benefit of it. It is then that we can SEE/Find the direction and proximity you are looking for.

And you never did answer what the "right direction" is, or the "correct proximity."

As you are not ready for the answer yet. first we have to move past the idea you are going to poke God with a stick and envoke a repeatable/favorable response that will support a hypothesis you may have.

I have no preconceived notion of what the God you imagine should look like...

That's not true. You assume God is going to meet you on your terms. And be cause he hasn't met you "the bright and shinny center of your own little universe" you assume everyone else is in the very same boat you are in.

he stems from your illusions, not mine. You present all these "what if" scenarios, making it very clear that you aren't sure how your own deity actually looks yourself.

You didn't ask me to describe God/Jesus. I actually did several years ago in another thread concerning my own personal judgement day.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html
He was shorter than I thought he'd be He was bearded, and He was very intimidating, but at the same time very welcoming. What I remember the most was his eyes. Not the color but love they held in them, it was a warm inviting wave, the sense of being Home. At the same time they communicated why I was not welcome into the Father's peace.

Then I saw a messenger of the Holy Spirit He rode in my car and I got to shake his hand.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
He was tall and Big

But again, with a hard heart these experiences would have been forgotten as being a dream and a hichhicker would made a few dozen lucky guesses.

The difference? Content.
In the 'dream' I learned things about Hell I never knew, and even this week just found out about confirming an experience I had 20+ years ago. and the Messenger's message playing out to a tee so far in my life. Everything I learn was one true and biblically supported.

But I could be operating under a false assumption, so I'll ask directly... Have you seen God with your own eyes?

The Son and a Messenger of the Holy Spirit.

I'm sure you have followed your own advice to "simply Ask Seek and Knock for the Holy Spirit as outlined in Luke 11," haven't you?

Indeed I have.

If so, why can't you tell us exactly what he looks like without all the "what if" bullshit?

Because you assume I haven't and you did not ask what I saw. Only what you could see. and I told you how first to see.

Is he relatively tall? Short?

Christ was shorter than me I'm 5'11" barefoot. The messenger towered over me and had to be 6'5" 250/275lbs.

What color are his eyes?

Jesus didn't really have a color it ts hard to explain, If I was forced to identify what I saw with color I would say an Active blue. Active because There were other things going on in his eyes. (my judgement and final revelation) was kinda preoccupied with taking all of that in.
Messenger was brown/typical black man eyes.

Hair?

little messy/curly and it was shorter than what I thought it would be

Skin?

olive

Does he appear young or old?

older than me at the time/30s maybe

Does he even look human?

except for the eyes yes.

See, I really don't know what your Christian God should look like, but you should if he's literally visible to people like you whose heart is not hardened to him, right?

See that what I mean by preconceived Ideas about God!! d/bag

So please give everyone here as thorough a description as you possibly can of how God really appears. Once we have your precise description, we all will know exactly what to look for and there will be no more need for ambiguity, metaphors, or games.

I promise you, You do not need my description.. Angels are the one radiating light, you might think they are God but they arent. If you fall on your face before them it's ok just get up when they tell you to. When you see Jesus you'll know it's Him because you'll be on your face/knee confessing that He is God all by your self. But by then it maybe too late. it depends on whether or not you are willing to wash and wax a few cars now.

Messengers however can only be identified by content.