RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
April 28, 2016 at 9:47 am
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2016 at 9:47 am by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(April 27, 2016 at 5:50 pm)Rekeisha Wrote:
DNA is genetic information and people are trying now to use DNA as a storage system. It is a far more advanced storage system than anything we have created (you can look at this CNN article). Since computer code act similar to DNA if it were to evolve or change randomly it would degrade long before it had a positive mutation. You offered up time as a solution to this problem. The problem is that there isn't enough time to move through all the possible combinations of proteins to create a positive mutation. Here is a debate with Stephen Meyer (my main source) and Charles Marshall. The question is where did all that information come from?
I don't see your "just is" as equivalent to my statement that God is self-existent. He isn't a thing but a being possessing infinite knowledge, immutability, all power and is eternal. He is therefore able to work in every moment and can accomplish what is necessary for the out come that He wants. It is reasonable to believe God created us simply because of the information in the Bible let alone the information found in DNA. Information always traces back to a mind, why would it be different with DNA. When we find information in books or on a disc we don't assume it evolved, but that it was created.
Finally; human beings are categorized as "Hominids" and the word ape is an English word not a taxonomic category. If you could point me to the fossil information you sighted, because my search was mostly fruitless.
Okay, I'm going to leave most of the theological points to Redbeard, since he seems to handle them at least as well as I could, and likely better. However, I watched that debate video you posted with the douchebag from the Creation Institute, and I think it's clear that you have misunderstood what Dr. Meyer is claiming (or hoping you miss that he's not claiming).
Dr. Meyer is one of the worst cases of someone who deliberately went and got degrees (incidentally, his PhD is in the "history of science", not in science) for the purpose of giving the appearance of credibility to the Creationist case, as proposed in the infamous Wedge Document, to which we have linked you, many many times. They are deliberately trying to misrepresent their credentials in order to give the appearance of a controversy, into which gap they can insert their pre-existing ideas about God, in the public eye, because they see science as anti-God. Why you refuse to understand what the Wedge Document represents, I cannot grasp. But it amounts to this: he has been very selective in what parts of science he accepts and which he rejects via his pre-existing filter. For instance, he talks a great deal about how DNA must change too many base pairs in order to produce the novel proteins he says are necessary for the changes to occur, but ignores completely our discoveries in the past 20 years about regulatory gene sequences that radically alter body-forms (called Gene Regulatory Networks), or that the changes observed in the "Cambrian Explosion" were well within the expected rates of evolutionary change after statistical analysis. If you want to see a good analysis of why Meyer clearly doesn't understand some of these major elements of how science determines the things it determines, read this article at the science blog, The Panda's Thumb.
You really should read the New Yorker article posted about Meyer's book, which shows where he deliberately ignores science and promotes pseudoscience to make his case. If you continue to quote Meyer in an attempt to support your position, you're simply showing anyone who actually knows science that you are unaware of the advances science has made in the 150+ years since Darwin wrote down his doubts about the Cambrian Explosion (upon which Meyer primarily focuses).
Of course, you're not GOING to read any of the harsh criticisms of your champion, because you prefer what he's telling you over harsh truths. That's what the Discovery/Creation Institute are counting on, the way charlatans and other charismatic "flim-flam" artists always have.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.