(May 3, 2016 at 1:59 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:(May 3, 2016 at 1:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Generally, the "serpent" is taken by most Christians as a slur against Satan, in describing him by his nature instead of his physical appearance, not as a literal snake. Of course, the snake is a common theme in pre-Judaic religions of the region, so it's hardly surprising to us to find it in the Genesis tale, since so much else in Genesis appears to have been borrowed from the Sumerian myths.
Borrowed from earlier myths, sure. And I have been told since I was a child that Satan possessed the snake in the garden and made it talk.
But if you go with that, then Genesis 3:14: "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life." -- Well, god isn't talking to Satan, apparently. And we know that snakes don't actually "eat" dust. It IS apparently true that once upon a time, snakes had legs . . . but I'm pretty sure they didn't talk.
Of course, I always shake my head at this point and remind myself that it's all a myth, created by men who needed some explanation of how we got here. And they needed a beginning by a god that kept women as things for the use of man. It was a useful tale. Ignorant, but useful.
Indeed! I have often pointed out that part, to Christians making the claim. I was just trying to be fair to the views of most Christians, who see the snake as a metaphoric way of saying Satan, or Satan-in-a-disguise. Seems odd, then, to take it out on the rest of the animal kingdom... but I've never found that pointing it out to Christians gets me a reply beyond the usual word-salad gibberish and a claim that it's me who "just doesn't understand".
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.