(May 4, 2016 at 4:25 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(May 4, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Are you serious right now? Space is a vacuum. Almost everything in the universe is a vacuum. However, I'll assume you meant "on the earth", rather than "in nature". That shows you're missing the entire point of doing an experiment in a lab. Experiments are designed to eliminate as many variables as possible, so that we can ask a single question and demonstrate it as true or false. The vacuum is created to remove the additional variable of atmospheric pressure, which is why a feather would fall much more slowly than a BB shot of the same weight. In order to test whether gravity impacts everything equally, you must eliminate the variable. That's why the lab produces the artificial (for earth) environment. It would be just as possible to take a feather and a BB up into space and drop them from above the atmosphere, and measure that. Much easier to just pump the air out of a tube and do the experiment that way. Labs cannot make magic happen; they can only duplicate what is found in nature. It's not like the laws of physics and biochemistry are suspended because a lab experiment is going on.
Of coarse I meant here on earth, I know space is a vacuum, I'm not stupid and don't attempt to make me seem I am. A person who has pulled as many vacuums as I have would necessarily have to know such things to be qualified to pull vacuums. I don't know what the fuses about, all I was pointing out was a lab is a sanitary not destructive place and can't reproduces the effects the natural processes of nature's produces, these processes can effect a process not able to be seen in the lab. Believe me I understand what you're saying, I just do not agree it represents what happens in nature. I think we've said enough on this, let's move on.
RS Wrote:Edit to Add: By the way, to show you're wrong about everything being consumed by nature, consider this fossilized proto-bird:
Seems to me nature did a good job of destroying this animal, no muscle, no bone, no feathers and ect, just a picture of the past, natures destruction at it's best all of what this animal was was returned to the ground.
(May 4, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Godschild Wrote:
RS Wrote:Well, the story happens to be true AND an analogy. I'm not drawing a perfect parallel with "a relationship with Christ", as you call it, I'm talking about believing something with your whole heart and then later learning something which tells you that your heart misled you into false beliefs. Can you seriously not even ponder the possibility that it's all in your head, and that your "relationship" is with an imaginary friend... in other words, with your own psyche?
Were they really false or did you let you head override what you suspected as the truth. If you didn't have a personal relationship with Christ then just maybe you were not saved. You see this is my short story, I have a personal relationship with Christ I know without a doubt that He is real, He's proven this to me time and again leaving no doubts as He promised. I've seen God in action to many times for it to be a delusion or what ever you want to call it. I would think by now you would have seen that my knowledge of God is real and that I can't be swayed in another direction. By the way do you give your wife such a hard time, I wouldn't think so since you're still married.
(May 4, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Like coal can be formed in a very short time, proven by Christian scientist, refusal of belief by the scientist who are against short term anything. These scientist know that a short creation time would end their careers and the money for their research. Protecting their lively hood is more important than the truth.
The denial of creation by any Christian is to say God has no sovereignty, that He is a liar and I can't believe anyone would want to be a Christian of such a God, how could one trust Him.
I know scientist also, my previous pastor was a nuclear scientist and his son also, his son is brilliant and both believe in creation as the Bible tells it. I know others that fell the same way, and I doubt that there are hundreds of thousands of Christians evolutionary biologist.
GC
RS Wrote:Ahhhh, the old conspiracy theory comes out. Yes, it's possible for oil to form more rapidly than was once thought, but we can still date it based on the radioisotopes contained therein (yes, I know you doubt this method, but I don't care) and see the geological ages from which it comes. It was not a "Christian scientist" who pointed it out, originally, but a regular geologist working for an oil company. But if you read the version produced by your Creationist propaganda sites, they omit the parts of his reports that detailed how we know that some of it is old and some of it is new. Coal is even more shaky of a claim for you, since we can see the coal veins deposited in geological layers that predictably and uniformly fit with the ages in which geologists claim it was formed. Despite what AiG claims, there is no way a flood would leave the layers in the strata they are found, nor form the rocks in the way they claim. None of their claims stand up to examination, and their use of "quote-mining" from real scientific articles to try to prop up their agenda isn't worthy of even acknowledging.[/quote]
As to scientists who are also Christians, there have been a couple of major surveys on the subject, with similar results, spread out over almost a century:
http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scien...nd-belief/
You might want to carefully consider the words of a man like geneticist and priest Francis Ayala, as well:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...evolution/
I'm only going to address the flood here, you can't possibly know how the world wide flood effected the earth, this flood as the Bible describes it was from below and above, tearing the earth apart and then rearranging it. No amount of theory or speculation could possibly come close to discounting it. There's one thing for sure this flood can not be recreated in a lab or nature so it can't be observed again and the ones who lived through it are gone so we can't ask them. So I will believe what I will because God has proven himself to me and I know I can believe God, you trust in what man says and does and your story shows how trustworthy man is.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.