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I always imagined "pinko" to be a "watered down red", like a half assed Communist. Its right wing authoritarian types who tend to use the word "pinko". I think they use it to say that Commie bastards are feminised, or gay, or weak or something. LOL, who knows? I have been called a "pinko commie" as well. Communists are usually authoritarians, and Progressives dont like extremism or authoritarianism. Usually when I tell them that, they are scratching their heads. Apparently Glenn Beck forgot to mention that. Glenn Beck also forgot to mention that "Conservative Libertarian" is LESS like Classic Libertarianism and more like Fascism (sans the overt claims of racism and eugeneics). Funny how he screams "Nazi" at everything that isnt Nazi..dont you think?

Well, I'm much more likely red than pink in that case... depends on how communism is defined I guess.

My economic beliefs are not quite identical (though government = business that encompasses other businesses remains). So I could be pinko

I tend to get along more with Socialists than Communists. It doesnt mean I agree with them. I just see a bit more common ground with them than I do Communists. Some say Socialism is the same as Communism, but I disagree.Even Marx said that Socialism and Communism are different. Then again, Marx is a bit over rated if you ask me. It didnt take long for people (er...dictators more like it) to start changing his ideas and then adding their names to it.

The people are the worst of all dictators, because none of us is so cruel as all of us.

Marx is very overrated. And say what you will about stalin, I respect him (and agree that he could have done things better). Example of stalin's economic principles: Russia has too many people to support the change from agricultural russia to industrial russia: Use the people as expendable cannon fodder.

My solutions are aimed along a longer term and his were aimed at a (very) short term. But then, I don't have to prop up totalitarianism just to stay in power

First line is merely a statement of fact for Progressives. I have added a bit more information to the intro page since you have posted. What you read was my basic to get the page started. I plan on upgrading the introduction page every now and then.

RIghto, I'll probably take a disagreeing socialistic position in the interest of further developing both of our ideals

Progressives are NOT Anarchists! We are anti-authoritarian, not anti-government. We feel that social laws should be kept to a bare minimum, and those laws should only protect the life, liberty, and property of society as individuals and as a whole regardless of wether they share the majority social views and beliefs or not. We feel that economic laws should also be kept to a moderate level to protect the welfare of each citizen and the reasonable ecology of their environment.

If a government is an overseeing body that has any control over anything... how can a government not be authoritarian? At least in a minor capacity, it must be.

I have a rather unique understanding of ownership... if you ask someone else to protect a thing for you: it isn't yours. If you ask this of a government, you have stated that it is the government which owns a thing, and that you would be grateful if they let you use it.

Do you progressives draw the line of life at the point of its 'conception' like moronic anti-abortionists, or do you wait until a human can survive without leeching on a mother from inside?

How can you protect liberty with laws? Anarchists are the only ones who actually believe in liberty, i find (I do not, btw). Every other position contains statements of what you are not allowed to do.

The rest is good, though why believe each citizen to be worthy of said protection (ie: criminals of high value crimes).

Progressives ARE Modern Liberals and Social Liberals! Some on the authoritarian right wing have claimed that Liberals hide behind the name "Progressive" so that they do not have to reveal that they are liberal because they think the word "liberal" is a negative and hated word. In reality the word "Progressive" has been historically used as the name of choice by Social Liberals since the later half of the 20th century in Western Civilization. Some right wingers have tried to take the name "Progressive" hoping to ride its popularity. Progressives are historically left wing.

:wave: I think 'liberal' is a negative and hatable word that is copiously misused. Anarchy is the most awful of all systems, and I find it fascinating just how temporary it really is.

No, Progressives are Captialists who oppose aggresive corporatism, or corporatism in general, specifically the union between the corrupt politician and the corrupt corporation. Progressives are NOT socialists, they are what I like to call "soft capitalists", meaning that they frown upon the "cut throat capitalism" where people make profit from ruining the lives of others. I would go so far as to say most Progressives do not consider clean water, basic food, basic education, and basic shelter to be Capitalised. In other words, Progressives stand strong for a basic "survival net" for society to keep it from regressing to past social systems such as Feudalism, Slavery, and Serfism. Progressives want a profit motive to keep good ideas flowing, but do not consider it the end all be all of society. Progressives will say "workers of the world, unite!" but do so under the banner of Capitalism, not Communism. Progressive are socially anti-authoritarian, and economically moderate left.

So... progressives are capitalists with socialistic policies (the 'survival net'). Seems that socialists can have a progressive stance on their socialism easily. But it seems I am right: progressives are misguided socialists Please don't take that seriously, I say it in jest

Void is smart. Very smart. I've got a lot of respect for him and you Sae. I will put my foot down and say that Fascism isnt any where near Socialism. Fascism glorified and legitimized the war pigs and the war profiteers and claimed it under "the workers" for "socialism". Sort of like how some right wing groups ride the popularity of the name "Progressive" to get into power in some countries. The only thing "progressive" about them is their party name.

Though I do favor a steel fist guiding a country and also favor taking territory by force (again), most (all?) of my other policies are cleanly on the left.

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