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How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :)

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RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :)

May 19, 2016 at 1:44 pm

(May 19, 2016 at 10:51 am)robvalue Wrote:
The scientific method is how we learn about reality. Philosophy alone can only investigate abstract systems. So yes, if something literally exists in reality, then it should exhibit some sort of empirical behaviour. Otherwise you're simply extrapolating your own simplified, assumed models about reality... or else he is claiming god doesn't literally exist, but is only abstract. That's a claim that doesn't even need supporting.

Rob, that was quite a lot of work!
I had a few questions about this response.
The scientific method is how we learn about reality? Don't you mean the physical world?
Philosophy alone can only investigate abstract systems?? Why would this be true? Among other reasons, the fact that science is governed by philosophy would make that statement untrue.
General Note: I think the unnamed antagonist is pressing the point that while Fruyian is demanding physical evidence, none is technically needed. I don't think he ever said there wasn't any. I can see why he would not want to debate quality of evidence--it never goes anywhere.

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How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by fruyian - May 17, 2016 at 7:15 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 17, 2016 at 7:16 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by fruyian - May 17, 2016 at 8:18 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Alex K - May 17, 2016 at 7:32 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by fruyian - May 17, 2016 at 11:48 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 17, 2016 at 12:22 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 17, 2016 at 8:02 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Alex K - May 17, 2016 at 8:53 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 17, 2016 at 8:19 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by fruyian - May 17, 2016 at 8:25 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 17, 2016 at 8:50 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by fruyian - May 17, 2016 at 9:53 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 17, 2016 at 9:57 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Mister Agenda - May 17, 2016 at 10:00 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 17, 2016 at 10:26 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by pocaracas - May 17, 2016 at 1:03 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 17, 2016 at 1:15 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by pocaracas - May 17, 2016 at 3:04 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Aoi Magi - May 17, 2016 at 4:58 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 18, 2016 at 4:39 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by fruyian - May 19, 2016 at 7:42 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by bennyboy - May 18, 2016 at 6:26 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 19, 2016 at 8:43 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 18, 2016 at 6:53 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 18, 2016 at 12:18 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by bennyboy - May 18, 2016 at 7:35 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Aoi Magi - May 19, 2016 at 3:19 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 19, 2016 at 3:49 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Aoi Magi - May 19, 2016 at 3:52 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 18, 2016 at 1:21 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 18, 2016 at 1:24 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 18, 2016 at 1:26 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 18, 2016 at 1:36 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 19, 2016 at 7:49 am

RE: How does one respond to this - by robvalue - May 19, 2016 at 10:51 am

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by SteveII - May 19, 2016 at 1:44 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 19, 2016 at 1:14 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 19, 2016 at 1:49 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 19, 2016 at 1:58 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 19, 2016 at 2:14 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by SteveII - May 19, 2016 at 5:08 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 19, 2016 at 2:25 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 19, 2016 at 3:05 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by pocaracas - May 19, 2016 at 4:06 pm

RE: How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) - by robvalue - May 19, 2016 at 4:11 pm

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