RE: Can a xtian god be free?
April 14, 2011 at 4:46 pm
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2011 at 4:50 pm by everythingafter.)
(March 20, 2011 at 9:05 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You simply don't understand the nature of God, and I'd recommend you to study that further. Yes I don't find the concept of Jesus as God contradictory at all. Something else your knowledge is incomplete on.
I find it mystifying when I hear believers say stuff like this: There are no contradictions; you just don't understand. Or, you haven't gotten the right information about who God is. What pompous things to say.
Two questions then:
1. Why is this information so hard to come by?
2. If it's so important, why doesn't God make it clearer to those of us who have used his "God-given" logic to think through these matters carefully?
Even as a believer, I asked constantly for more understanding. It never came. Actually, it made less and less sense. Was that in God's perfect plan? If he existed in the first place, he sort of lost a believer there by his own inaction. I don't think "understanding" is too much to sincerely ask from a god who spoke the universe into existence. And why is more studying necessary. Isn't the Holy Spirit right there with you? If so, it seems to me believers would have all this "understanding" on tap. I was told many times that I have the Holy Spirit living in my heart. Well, if he was there, he was awfully hard to get information from! Believers will insist (and some have) that I was never saved in the first place. I believed wholeheartedly at one time, and professed my faith in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. Is that enough? Or was I required to do jumping jacks while reciting the lord's prayer? Then they will say, as you did, that some never fully understand. If so and if he exists, I would call that a failure of the Holy Spirit to let a fervent believer slip away on a technicality. And if that's so, I would call that god unworthy of worship, at best, and at worst, not there at all.
In the immortal words of Omar Khayyam:
Quote:And do you think that unto such as you;
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew:
God gave the secret, and denied it me?--
Well, well, what matters it! Believe that, too.
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We have lingered in the chambers of the sea | By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown | Till human voices wake us, and we drown. — T.S. Eliot
"... man always has to decide for himself in the darkness, that he must want beyond what he knows. ..." — Simone de Beauvoir
"As if that blind rage had washed me clean, rid me of hope; for the first time, in that night alive with signs and stars, I opened myself to the gentle indifference of the world. Finding it so much like myself—so like a brother, really—I felt that I had been happy and that I was happy again." — Albert Camus, "The Stranger"
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