(May 12, 2016 at 2:13 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Ok, well, "spiritual slavery" is not what we're talking about (and it's not a real thing), so I'm going to ignore those. Let's see what you've got.Just because you can't detect it with physical means does not mean that it doesn't exist. I was watching a vlog on Youtube and this man was speaking about an event that happened to him. He was in a marathon and saw one man his age stumble off the road. He went to see if he needed help and in the end the guy ended up dying. This truly affected him and even though he tried to do some more of his run he was struck with great grief. Now I have looked into what evolution has said about grief and I must say it is a cold and shallow explanation of what happens when someone loses something very important to them. This trauma does not benefit us if we are talking about surviving to pass on our genes. I would say that it speaks more to the fact that we have a greater dimension to being human than mere chemistry. Also the need to be something or someone, the need to be seen, and accepted, to be loved, to be valued also adds to that dimension. Why do so many people feel empty? Why do people find themselves stuck in harmful habits, and it doesn't depend on the person's education. We yearn for more. The fact all humans think there is a right way to live and a wrong way to live speaks to something deeper in all of us.
Quote:I do not have an objection to consensual porn made by adults. If people who are of legal age and sound mind decide that they wish to subject themselves to being filmed during sex (for money or otherwise), then that is none of my business unless I am one of those people.How do you know when the porn used by people are from people who are agree with being videoed? Have you thought of the fact that when people show interest in porn no matter how it is produced that this act signals to other porn producers who use slaves that this is a desired product therefore aiding in their oppression of other people.
I think you mean it "objectifies" people, and personally I don't think that's even true. It is perfectly normal for human beings to want to express themselves as wanting sex and wanting to be sexually desirable, and doing so does not reduce the person to an object. That is absurd.
Furthermore, even if porn did "objectify" people, if a person volunteers to express themselves as a sex object, there is nothing wrong with that. Luckily for everyone, what you object to has no practical impact on what society actually deems acceptable.
Expressing yourself sexually and selling your sexual acts are two different things. Sex is not a performance but an act of intimacy. It requires a vulnerability and is most enjoyed in safety, mutual trust and love by a man and woman who have made the choice to commit to one another for the rest of their lives. They make this commitment not just secretly but publicly. Porn is a degradation for all who are involved and is addictive. The effects on a male's (because I don't know about women) mind a body are ED, ADHD, socially awkwardness, and OCD. So when you say they are expressing themselves in reality it is the death of sex as well as a normal functioning man. Here is a Ted Talk from Philip Zimbardo https://youtu.be/FMJgZ4s2E3w
This addiction isn't like normal addictions. It seeks new and different experiences. When you are addicted to something you are no longer concerned about people but your own wants and needs. This feeds and fuels the industry as well as sex slavery. There is nothing about porn that is good.
Quote:Not exactly. Genetic coding is not "information" in the sense that you're using it.
How do you think I am using information? It is the instructions used in the growth, development, and functions of all living organisms (and many viruses).
In other words it is the instruction manual for an entire living organism, its individual parts, and even its reproductive possibilities.
I just read an article that spoke about DNA showing both digital and analog characteristics which as based off of this article.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00018-013-1394-1 (because I believe you would enjoy this article more and it from the scientist who made this discover... or at least I believe so)
So not only does DNA act like Digital information but also like analog. So Humans have discovered only recently how to store energy in a similar non-organic way as has always been in the human gene. How much research went into the discovery of Digital and analog information. Yet your claim is that by chemistry and then natural selection these complex forms of information just came about. It would seem more reasonable that even though the information does not present itself as it would if we had created it that there is a mind behind it.
Quote:"I don't understand where the 'information' in DNA came from, therefore God must have done it," is an argument from ignorance. No matter how you word it, this line of reasoning is fallacious and will get you nowhere while trying to convince a rational person.This is not my thought processes when looking at DNA. Actually it is quite amazing and I find it difficult to believe that it came together without the hand of an extremely knowledgeable and powerful designer. I also happen to know God so it is easy to attribute this to Him. Yet you may be right I may be moving too fast and have not explained my thought process well enough the process to you.
Quote:All you're doing here is attempting to define your god as something that should be able to ignore the Special Pleading Fallacy. If God is eternal, then other things can be or that's special pleading.What kind of thing are you talking about?
If he does not require a creator, then neither do other things or that's special pleading.
If God can exist without space or time, then so can other things or that's special pleading.
If God can exist without being created by something with a will, then so can other things or that's special pleading.
Regardless of how or why you think your god can "just is," the problem is that you are stating that nothing can "just is" except god.
Humans will last forever but not in the same way that God. Our souls have no end but God has both no beginning and no ending.
Do you believe that things were created from nothing? Then why is God not being created special pleading?
My husband has informed me that there are things that don't require space or time and have dimensions that don't work like ours.
There are three persons that are outside of time and space but one being. So God is in many ways different from humans or anything else that he has created. He isn't bound by space like we are. He has the knowledge, ability, power and will to create. He isn't bound by time either. When we speak of God being Holy it isn't just His moral perfection but the fact that He is like no other being in creation. He is in a category all His own.
Logically it makes more sense for some all powerful being creating the universe, than for it to have sprung out of nothing.(not to say you believe that)
"The trustworthiness of God’s behavior in His world is the foundation of all scientific truth." A.W. Tover "Knowledge of the Holy"