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Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
(May 28, 2016 at 2:03 am)Maelstrom Wrote: There is this guy at work who basically made the same comment as the OP in this thread, though his statement was more coherent.

He stated, Even if you don't believe, you're still believing that you don't believe.

Yeah, but that's bollocks (what that guy said). You know you don't believe. To suggest otherwise is to say you aren't properly aware of your own beliefs. If you don't know what your beliefs are at any given time, you don't know anything so you may as well dispense with the word "know". Of course, your beliefs may change from day to day or even second to second. But you still know what they are, even if they are mental delusions and you aren't aware they are delusions.

(Of course, you may "not know what to believe", but this is a perfectly valid default position of neither accepting nor rejecting a proposition, as in weak atheism.)

You also get into a circular situation where you believe you don't believe; but since you don't know what your beliefs are, you only believe you believe you don't believe... etc.

Belief (as opposed to knowledge) is more suitable to a situation where you don't have direct access to the information.

You could technically argue that you only have beliefs about your beliefs, but that's taking things so far that you're entering solipsism and such. You certainly can't come back to reality to make any coherent claim following such a statement, if you've burnt all your fuel.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god - by robvalue - May 28, 2016 at 3:14 am

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