RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 28, 2016 at 4:46 am
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2016 at 4:55 am by Blueyedlion.)
(May 27, 2016 at 9:58 am)Quote:Ben Davis Wrote:from the UK. For your very first thread, I have to warn you, you've really picked a subject that you're not going to get a lot of distance with before you face ridicule. It's already started to happen. You say you're arguing 'on behalf of a friend' but increasingly your language is personalised. That has not scored you honesty points.
I didnt say im arguing on behalf of a friend, you read me wrong. I said i heard the phrase from a friend. So im putting that here to see what you guys think of it.
Quote:I challenge you to find one single example of any of the attributes of consciousness being demonstrated by something without a brain.
Easy done - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Vck2iPvBs
Quote: whether you belief in god or not, you're still correct in being an athiest or jew or what ever because when you die, you wake up to it all anyway in another dimension.
You require proof here...
You mean to say i require evidence...
Read book: Irreducible mind towards a physiology for the 21st century
Quote: Book: Pim van Lommel - consciousness beyond life
book: wilder penfield mystery of the mind
...but clearly not here. The above are fully debunked nonsense speculations, the product of some seriously interesting imaginations but not of fact. Seriously, they don't even count as reasonable hypotheses. There's literally nothing to them other than the assertions of advocates.
I bet a million bucks you haven't even read them yourself, or even read the literature of those debunking it. All you've done is a quick google search and thought, nah it must be crap. And if you happen to read the review of it, you only read the negative side that supports your belief without rationalizing if the debunking holds up or is simply a reaction of a materialist mind set.
Quote: Or, you could expand the definition to encompass a new deeper meaning
No. You don't get to do that. Trying to redefine a word in that way is simply dishonest.
Ah yes i do, words and definitions are completely subjective. there is no such thing as a objective definition. You can have a collectively built up definition from years of tradition and culture, but within those definitions, are only relevant to the individuals involved the specific relationships between people that created that meaning. And so now you, want to some take that definition and say it will always mean the exact same thing no matter how many people experience new things accompanying the definition until the end of time. Where actually, words change based on the new meaning every day, other wise where do you think new words come from? You learn a word, experience for yourself the meaning behind it, and then if you like, put that meaning into art or science exploring it which then gives it more depth and meaning, definition then there was before.
A quote i particularly like is "Search for the greater cause and not for the rule or the definition to put with it."
Quote:I'll repeat: All reliable evidence regarding consciousness demonstrates that it's a by-product of brain activity.
That you know of. It's good to know reality isnt limited to the experience of what one person knows.
