(May 28, 2016 at 11:20 am)Drich Wrote:(May 27, 2016 at 3:46 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Ummm....I'm not so sure. In (2 Thes 1:7-9.) Paul seems to be saying just that. But what about Revelation 14:10? I think this is a case were all the relevant verses must be interpreted by the whole counsel of the Word. It would be very odd indeed if He didn't know the goings-on in Hell. What is clear is that people in Hell reject God's sovereignty and/or worship the Antichrist. God can still be present and eternally reaching out to people who are willfully blind to His presence and hardened themselves a to not receive His blessings.
Unless the angels Share Omni presence with God then, What is described in verse 10 is a punishment being measured out and witnessed for a time. Because it states that Jesus and the Holy Angels will witness this torture before them. Meaning as it is happening.
10 They will drink the wine of God’s anger. This wine is prepared with all its strength in the cup of God’s anger. They will be tortured with burning sulfur before the holy angels and the Lamb. 11 And the smoke from their burning pain will rise forever and ever. There will be no rest, day or night, for those who worship the beast and its idol or who wear the mark of its name.”
You also have to remember 2Thess 1: 7-9 is not a stand alone concept. All of the parables Jesus Himself taught concerning a separation from the saved to the unsaved (Wheat/Weeds, wheat/Chaff, Sheep/Goats etc..) All end with the saved being invited into where God is, and the rest cast out or separated from God. Not to meantion his direct teachings on the matter Mat 25:34-41, Luke 16:22-26 In both instances Christ describes a divide between God in Heaven and the tortured in Hell.
So in order to reconcile revelation passage with what Jesus taught I Imagine Jesus and the holy Angels are there to witness the great hord of unsaved being cast into hell and witness them being consumed by this molten sulfur. then they leave, because the only other option is Jesus and the holy angels standing watch for eternity, because the angels have never been scripturaly attributed with omni presences. There are simply where they are at the time they are there. Which means is they are to have an eternal presence in Hell they themselves would have to be in Hell.
Now that said, God being omnipotent I believe that He does indeed know what is going on in Hell, even if His presences is not there.
Good thought, at least one person is reading what i write.
Nice exegesis. Good to know at least one other person reads the bible and takes it seriously. I'll give it some thought.
