(May 30, 2016 at 7:24 pm)SteveII Wrote:(May 30, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: D'uh. Because what is supernatural is what exists outside nature, and nature is the sum total of reality. Therefore any claim outside nature can be safely ignored."Nature is the sum total of reality" You are asserting that nature is all there is. Why do you get to assert that? Science does not make that claim (it can't make metaphysical claims). So what reasoning do you have for saying that supernaturally caused events cannot and do not happen. Please try not to make your claim circular (they don't happen because they can't happen).
Because it is axiomatic you dunce. If we allow the existence of one being outside of reality how can we say other such beings, like Brahma, Nuggan, Sauron, Loki or Q don't also exist?
If you want your god to be able to affect nature from outside nature, then you've got to accept the reality of all other beings who have been proposed that can do the same and who have the same evidential basis (which, as we're starting from god is 0).
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