RE: About What One Expects From Ignorant Gun Nuts
June 1, 2016 at 9:55 pm
(This post was last modified: June 1, 2016 at 9:58 pm by dom.donald.)
(June 1, 2016 at 9:51 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:(June 1, 2016 at 9:50 pm)dom.donald Wrote: Um.. he was done for murder.
And possession of an illegal firearm.
yes, but you wilfully failed to mention the bit about him being found guilty of murder, and focused on your concern that he kept illegal firearms. Even if the firearms were kept legally, it would still have been murder. So he tried to protect his property by murdering someone. It was murder because his actions were not considered a proportionate response, which is how it should be. There have been plenty of examples, one a few months ago, where US citizens have deliberately put themselves into situations so they would have the chance to use their weapons in self-defence, when there were plenty of other more reasonable actions they could have taken (such as following the emergency dispatcher's advice).
(June 1, 2016 at 9:54 pm)IATIA Wrote:(June 1, 2016 at 9:47 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Tony Martin didn't possess a basic shotgun certificate, or the extended certificate which allowed him to keep a gun that stores more rounds. I sympathise with him in regards to protecting his property, but he kept illegal weapons. That's wrong.
He was also arrested in 2015 again for suspicion of illegal weapons.
I do not need a "certificate" to keep a shotgun in the house. The round limit is only for hunting. But if the laws where he lived dictated a fine for his indiscretion, that is fine, but three years in prison is wrong.
As I said, the prison sentence was for murder. He lay in wait and shot the burglar in the back as he fled.
(June 1, 2016 at 9:51 pm)IATIA Wrote:(June 1, 2016 at 9:46 pm)dom.donald Wrote: Is stealing some furniture to fuel a drug habit worthy of the death penalty?
One would not want to try. However, because of changes in Texas laws, the intruder has no right to sue, so disabling the intruder until law enforcement arrives works.
That's nice in theory. What are the chances of having a loaded gun at the ready the moment you feel your life or property is in danger, and then what are the chances of you merely 'disabling the intruder until law enforcement arrives'. I don't share the view that a burglar is making (or should be making) a choice to live or die when he decides to steal something. Even with trained firearms users, it's hard to hit a moving target accurately from a few metres away.
