(June 2, 2016 at 4:51 pm)madog Wrote:I really don't know what your first paragraph is referring to.(June 2, 2016 at 4:04 pm)SteveII Wrote: Supernatural - anything outside the physical universe and its laws.
Unnatural - within our universe and laws, anything artificially created that would not exist on its own.
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You can call anything you want a fairy story or made up, but you aren't engaging the question of whether the supernatural exists with anything resembling a cogent argument.
I think you need to go back in this thread and see the arguments about worms creating universes, glowing green or singing ..... I won't play your game of discussing other issues, but just the one you raise here.
To your point .... can you give reference to where your bible refers to outside the physical universe? not saying you can't, but would like to read the same stuff you rely on rather than going back and forwards while you route up new stuff every time you are questioned?
On your second point see above but also consider that supernatural is the same as saying God, unless you mean there is an actual place that god resides within?
Dog.
There are many references that talk about God before time began or timeless.
For a start, you can click here: http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God,-The-Eternal
There are many references talking about God creating the heavens and the earth (a Hebrew phrase meaning everything).
For a start you can click here: http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God,-The-Creator
The set of supernatural things would contain God, but there are other things (angelic beings, places, people's souls--both past and present, etc.) so you cannot use them interchangeably. Also, even if Christianity was completely wrong, it still would not rule out the supernatural.