Orlando shooting/The non gun debate

[Drich]

But, the war islam/isis is waging is not against that minority population, it's against all of us.

That's the digusting thing here. They are taking something that should be an afront to all americans and making specifically about anti gay sentiment.

How is this Not political propaganda?

If a political group is allowed to bend the facts to suit their agenda for any reason then things like truth are superseded by a "justifiable reason."

Thank goodness that Nothing in the History of man (1930's germany) has ever pointed to that sort of twisting of the truth for the sake of political propaganda has ever resulted in anything bad happening

What you're conveniently forgetting is that this guy isn't an ISIS fighter.  Remember: he claimed he was doing it for disparate groups.  Al-Qaeda and ISIS are enemies - pledging allegiance to both, as well as saying the Tsarnaev brothers were his 'homeboys' clearly indicates that he was just namedropping for the sake of it.
I mean, this guy used gay dating apps. He visited Pulse looking to hookup. It's pretty clear from his pattern of behavior that he was gay, felt regret/guilt about it due to his Muslim heritage, and hated them for making him feel a certain way.

But isn't that the core or the very definition of a "lone wolf attacker?"
Someone who is not directly or officially apart of ISIS but is willing to carry out their bidding in their name?
http://www.breitbart.com/national-securi...-s-europe/

The fact that this d-bag doesn't know the groups political stances screams all the more that his motivations were religious. Or do you think all who die in the name of ISIS can readily account all of it's political positions?

I agree, This guy probably was religious to some degree. (enough to go all in when push came to shove) had homosexual tendencies and freak out at a moment of weakness. then went over religious to compensate. IE declaring jihad, but knew it would have no religious meaning unless he was apart of an offical jihadi movement. So to cover his bases (like any stupid American would who is too lazy to research what he supposedly believes) he declares aligence to both, and as only the Koran can justify, to cover his 'sin' he had to do this big crazy gesture.

We can not over look his declarations simply because they were 1/2 assed. He was killing or striking out against the infidels of the west for the reason he stated in order to 'atone' for his sins.

Kinda can't have one without the other. even in a moderate turned extremeist 1/2 assed american way.

It's a completely different scenario than San Bernardino, where the shooter was definitely killing in the name of ISIS.

but again that is the nature of the lone wolf is it not? no cells, no structure of any kind. just a single radicalized (for whatever reason) person killing in the name of allah through ISIS or the taliban.

This guy, Mateen, could've hit any soft target.  He scoped out Downtown Disney, which has absolutely zero security, but chose Pulse instead.  Why?  Because it was an LGBT club.  So, yeah, homophobia was at the heart of the shooting.  

I guess you not aware as most in orlando are that gay days at disney (which is going on now) has thousands if not tens of thousands more gay targets...

If anyone wanted to kill at disney they do it in the morning when they open the gates, because tens of thousands of people line up and wait in the mile long/wide parking lots for shuttles with no where to run or go.

downtown disney is a stupid target as cops are everywhere because it is nothing but a series of restraunts and drinking establishments.

I think the reason this guy did not go after the larger gay target was because of the children. To go after a nigh club is to punish those actively seeking to 'sin.' Gay, because again as you pointed out he was probably tring to atone for sin.

And are you really trying to make the factual statements that:

1. This guy purposely targeted a LGBT club in order to eliminate a certain kind of people

As stated above he was trying to atone for sin. and dying a martyr waging jihad on infidels is an 'easy pass' into heaven and his 49 virgins, or maybe hell if he is gay..

2. This guy, despite being on a FBI watch list for several years before being cleared, was able to obtain a firearm with ease

watch list is not an indictment. a watch list means just that watch. Not strip a citizen of his rights and throw him in prison for doing stuff that makes people nervous.

Controversial?  You're trying to equate it with Nazi propaganda?  Really?

the Nazis did this very thing against the jews.

They took their economic situation and because their were alot of prominent jews in finance blamed the whole thing on them. there was a scrap of truth in all of thier propaganda just like their is a scrap of truth in all of this. In that the jews were in finance and did infact have to levi fines and taxes against germany for reperations the allies charged for WW1. Germany used a 1/2 truth to unite their country for the greater good and continued this 'lying for the greater good campain' until the were putting literal train loads of jews into ovens.

A lie for the 'greater good' ALWAYS winds up costing the lier his soul in the end. because the 'greater good' never is quenched. This is the beginning of a series of small steps that will take this country down a very slippery slope if we let it.