Do Christians worship a suicide victim?

[Thomas Kelly252525]

{1) is jumping on a grenade to save rest of your squad suicide?

what about pushing your child out from in front of a bus wen you know the bus will hit you?

{2} There is an element in self sacrifice that is not present in suicide. That's dying so someone else could live.

{3) Christ died so that you may have eternal life. So not a suicide, but self sacrifice.

{1} Yes to both of your examples if the person devised the event .... or allowed themselves to get into the position were sacrifice/suicide was required. when they could have avoided the event ....

{2} which I don't see present in the "Jesus" fiction ... see {1} above

{3} The fictitious character committed suicide so I would worship his father (himself) not a selfless act as there were strings attached ... A selfless act would be giving everyone eternal life with no strings attached ... 

And as a bonus this fictitious character fucked up a good portion of the world and turned some intelligent beings into Woo warriors 

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1) Yes. Mt 16:22-23; Mt 26:51-54 and other related texts expressing similar ideas.

2) Obviously, I think neither is the case. There is at least the additional option of "sacrifice" to bring about some effect. No one takes his life, Jesus lays it down freely (Jn 10:18).

3) That's fair enough, but the others involved might reveal something about our reality (clearly, you don't think any of it reveals anything at all, much less about reality, so I realize this point won't mean much to you).

4) Sure. The narrative, instead, tells us that he lays down his own life. He could have snapped his fingers and all was forgiven. He could have farted out a ham sandwich as the way to reconcile the world to God. Instead, he went with torture and execution at the hands of the Romans at the behest of the Jewish authorities. He chose this way to communicate something to us about ourselves and about God.

Note Bit disappointed with you that you are using what I stated as man made evidence (the bible) after getting me to apologize to you for stating that 

{2} Sacrifice in my opinion is to give something up without strings attached ... 

{3} Bit pompous and nonsensical, not going to answer without a better attempt at making your point ....

{4} and then failed to have it properly documented so it could be consistently communicated 

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Do you think that my questions to you were beyond your ability to answer ?

Not interested in what you have to say .... I am not comfortable answer babbling rhetoric 

madog,

You may think it appears some of what I said to you is missing from above, about burden of proof in relation to your behaviour.

What may you think proves that I used babbling rhetoric ?

You may think that my questions were too high a level for you.

If you continue like you have been doing, I may choose to not answer you, not because of being annoyed but because I don't think it would be to our advantage.