Do Christians worship a suicide victim?

[madog]

1) this started with you describing more than the existence of God ... Your statement; quote " I don't think it helps to limit God's activity in this world ONLY to the miraculous and spectacular" [1] You have just showed you use man made evidence for "Gods activity in this world" by listing gospel in your previous answers   [2]

4) Quote from your answer "He chose this way to communicate something to us about ourselves and about God." .... If this forum and every other Christian forum/discussion/argument didn't show the "communication" wasn't clear about "God" I am lost for words   [3]


"Maybe there is a better way it could have been transmitted." well he waited somewhere between 100-250 thousand years, he could have waited another couple of thousand years and did his party tricks when technology was available to record what he wanted the relationship between God and man to be ...

As to having a "beef" with the fictional message, I am as confused as the Christians as regards that .... even for all their alleged personal knowledge   [4]

1) Notice how I wasn't proving the existence of God. If a god exists, there are helpful ways to talk about it, and there are unhelpful ways to talk about it. In that thread, I stated that I thought that the supernatural/natural dichotomy is an unhelpful way to talk about such a god (hence my quote).

2) HA. Yes. I use the gospels as evidence of what Christians believe about God's activity in the world. Do I use the gospels as evidence that the supernatural/natural dichotomy is an unhelpful one? No.  Did I use man-made evidence to support that the supernatural/natural dichotomy is an unhelpful one? No. You claimed I did, so I asked for a citation. There was none, so you apologized, I accepted.

Do I use the gospels as evidence in any discussion which does not directly deal with god-as-revealed-in-Christianity? No. Does this discussion directly deal with god-as-revealed-in-Christianity? Yes.

I think you may have misinterpreted our previous interaction.

3) Can you name a Christian sect which doesn't teach "that message about God's accompanying us through our lives of suffering ultimately to bring us to an everlasting life of joy" (me, HERE)?

Even if there is a discrepancy in the details, even this forum has a pretty good grasp on the idea that Christ died for our sins (whatever that may mean) as a means for our own eternal life (whatever that may mean). If you are suggesting that this message was inconsistently communicated throughout the centuries, then I have a homework assignment for you.

4) That much is clear given the theme and topic of this thread. 

This thread, however, is only intelligible if it is based on actual consistent things about the Christian message which HAVE been communicated. There are consistent pieces in the various criticisms and jokes about what happened. For example: Jesus knew he would die in the way he did, Jesus is god, The Father is god, Jesus's death is related (somehow) to the forgiveness of our sins, he died on a Roman cross, he did not stay dead, etc. <= Somehow, all of these things have been communicated. You are confused how they fit together, and can only conclude that Jesus committed suicide by proxy.

1) ... 2) you are just playing games here I said you use man made evidence to this statement " I don't think it helps to limit God's activity in this world ONLY to the miraculous and spectacular" I wasn't complaining about you using man made evidence for "God" but his activity on earth ... I am finished with this issue .... it is going no where   

3) The communication wasn't/isn't clear .... if you think the confusion about the "Jesus" character is clear and it was what  he wanted, then what a shitty guy ....

If the confusion wasn't of his doing but because of man, we only have what has been passed down .... how do you know that the message received was what he intended to be passed down .... His message might have been don't fuck with the jews or they'll nail you to a cross ....

4)  consistent things about the Christian message which HAVE been communicated. And your evidence for that is stories passed down and written, edited, interpreted, etc, etc for 2000 years from stone-age man