Do Christians worship a suicide victim?

[madog]

Whether the Jesus character was illiterate or not the story tellers chose parlor tricks and a suicidal extravaganza to Communicate the "God" characters message ... If "God" wanted his message clearly recorded he would have used his son to record his message not those that were already sinful in his eyes. [1]

The actual message, if it were true would have taken a page .... There was no need for the New Testament, as sects could have made up their own stories then interpreted them to suit their own agenda ... Oh wait they did that anyway    [2]

We are here now discussing a fictitional characters message dreamed up from those flawed story tellers, [3] I dispute you have any verifiable Historical evidence  : [4] 

1) Would he now? Interesting take given #3

2) Indeed they did. Can you name one of those sects and the community today that is historically continuous with it?

3) Yup, here we are. If we are discussing that message "as-it-was-dreamed-up", then it can't also be said to have been inadequately communicated over 2000 years. So like I said HERE, your beef is with the message, not its mode of transmission.

4) Do I have verifiable historical evidence that demonstrates that Jesus is the Son of God, rose from the dead, and that his death reconciles us to God? No. 

Is there verifiable historical evidence regarding a continuously traceable teaching-about-Jesus extending from the Apostles to the present day within a particular community which is also historically continuous with the the community of the Apostles? Yes.

1) whats your point?

2) not particularly interested, they all wrote separate from the character that was supposed to be entrusted in delivering the "message" ... When I send an important message I don't entrust it to those that may  change the message for their own ends ...

3) I have a beef with the mode of transmission of the "message" because it leads me to believe it was made up ... that doesn't mean I can't have a beef with the "message"  as promoted by you ... are you playing games?

4) ... so you can't verify anything of consequence so your "faith" makes do with a tenuous historical line of story-telling ( you describe as teaching) .... Sorry but that's just not good enough for me ...

I suppose faith is the Jack in the pack .... pull it out and it covers everything you can't back with proper evidence