RE: Do Christians worship a suicide victim?
June 22, 2016 at 6:41 am
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2016 at 6:45 am by Ignorant.)
(June 21, 2016 at 8:40 am)madog Wrote:(June 21, 2016 at 7:04 am)Ignorant Wrote: This is what I was talking about. If I have to accept that definition to discuss this topic... then the game is rigged. Doesn't seem like you're open to a discussion about it.
Why is it rigged? I consider freely going into a situation with foreknowledge you will be killed is suicide. [1] This is what my contention is ... The rest is just stuff tacked on as you think it shows something different ....
If you agree "Jesus" had a choice tell me why that is not suicide?
And remember you have agreed to consider Jesus as an ordinary man [2].. has that changed? I need to know before answering the rest of your answers/questions ....
1) Look up a definition of suicide. Then look up a definition of self-sacrifice. Compare and contrast.
It is rigged if your definition is too general and formulated in such a way to secure your conclusion. If I accept your definition, then I must also accept that self-sacrifice is a specific KIND of suicide. I think there is an essential difference. If you aren't willing to budge on the definition, then there is no discussion.
2) When did I agree to consider Jesus as an ordinary man within the apostle's story? I can agree to hypothetically consider Jesus as an ordinary man from a historical perspective, but not to consider him as an ordinary man as he appears within the gospel narrative (which clear portrays him a extraordinary and even divine).
