Do Christians worship a suicide victim?

[madog]

1) Look up a definition of suicide. Then look up a definition of self-sacrifice. Compare and contrast.

It is rigged if your definition is too general and formulated in such a way to secure your conclusion. If I accept your definition, then I must also accept that self-sacrifice is a specific KIND of suicide. I think there is an essential difference. If you aren't willing to budge on the definition, then there is no discussion.

2) When did I agree to consider Jesus as an ordinary man within the apostle's story? I can agree to hypothetically consider Jesus as an ordinary man from a historical perspective, but not to consider him as an ordinary man as he appears within the gospel narrative (which clear portrays him a extraordinary and even divine).

1) Suicide ... the intentional taking of one's own life.

OK ... can we agree with this definition? if so:

the question is whether you can agree that taking your own life by putting yourself in a position that will knowingly lead to your own death is suicide?

Self sacrifice ... sacrifice of oneself or one's interest for others or for a cause or ideal

can we agree with this definitions? if so:

Do you believe that someone that takes their own life believing it to be a sacrifice excludes it from also be considered suicide?

Example: if a man/woman takes their own life in the interest of others, such as to allow their children to recieve an insurance payout .... That is clearly a "self sacrifice", does that mean it is not also suicide? 

By the way I am not trying to get you to "accept that self-sacrifice is a specific KIND of suicide" I am just saying that "self sacrifice" and "suicide" are not mutually exclusive .... 

2) I will need to look again at the rest of your arguments now you admit you will consider "Jesus" as a man or the "son of God" depending on whether it proves your point