(June 22, 2016 at 10:08 am)Brian37 Wrote:(June 22, 2016 at 8:02 am)abaris Wrote: I understand their wish for safety and the desire to defend themselves when being attacked. But, as always, just think of what would have happened if many people had been armed in that club. Probably dark, obviously crowded, hardly any one of them with combat training, understandably panicked. I guess there would have been even more victims, due to friendly fire.
Which is why I bring up the FBI report in that Daily Show clip, written by the head of ALERRT'S Pete Blair. The odds of civilian with no cop or military crisis shooting training successfully stopping an active shooter is only 3%. The odds of injury or death in the home from use of a gun is far greater.
And no record at time of buy doesn't stop the person from hurting themselves or someone else after a legal purchase.
That's not the way those statistics really add up.
3.1% of shooters were stopped after exchanging gunfire with a civilian with no police or military background.
So first of all that doesn't take into account shooters that were stopped from the threat of an armed civilian and no gunfire was exchanged.
Second of all it isn't a reflection on what happens when civilians are armed and their inefficiency at stopping shooters because a lot of shooters either target or just happen to be in areas where guns aren't there or aren't allowed, for example the majority of school shootings, the recent night club shooting and so on.
None of this is a reflection on my opinions of the gun control debate I just can't help but notice the use of those statistics seems dishonest to me if you're going to use that percentage of people stopped by exchange of gunfire with civilians to try and say civilians are inefficient at stopping shooters.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
Impersonation is treason.