Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 31, 2026, 5:28 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
#26
RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
(July 4, 2016 at 1:50 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(July 4, 2016 at 11:45 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: There's no way hard determinism could ever undermine rationality because whether hard determinism is true or not, what we have always deemed to be the concept of rationality is the same either way.

ROFLOL You can't be serious. If you don't have any choice about what you think then your thoughts could be anything at all for no reason in particular.

ROFLOL You don't understand determinism.

"No free choice" is not "no choice". Determinism is not fatalism. Our choices still exist and our will still exists whether our choices or will is free or not. Determinism means there is exactly one physically possible future at any given moment and there is but one causal chain with no possible alternatives. In other words: it means we cannot "do otherwsie". Fatalism is the denial of any choice at all by suggesting that determinism implies that we might as well give up and our choices don't matter "why get out of bed in the morning?" etc. It makes no sense because even if our decisions are determined, they still exist. It just means our decisions are part of the causal chain and not free, it does not mean they don't exist and do not matter. If I had not decided to write this post it would not have written itself, that does not mean that I decided to do it freely. I could be fully predetermined to decide to write this post but I still decided to write it.

I cannot possibly be serious? I am serious. And you can indeed possibly be serious too. In fact I have no doubt that you are. However, not only are you serious, you also seriously fail to grasp determinism and you're conflating it with fatalism.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real - by Edwardo Piet - July 4, 2016 at 2:22 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will ShinyCrystals 268 80392 June 23, 2025 at 10:23 pm
Last Post: awty
  Free Will Theodicy FlatAssembler 64 15391 July 13, 2023 at 2:15 pm
Last Post: Bucky Ball
  Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? Ferrocyanide 177 43104 January 1, 2022 at 2:36 am
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  On the lunacy of free will slartibartfast 152 32411 October 20, 2021 at 12:50 am
Last Post: Oldandeasilyconfused
  Reason Jesus must have been a real person mrj 74 24229 March 5, 2021 at 6:44 am
Last Post: awty
Thumbs Down 11-Year-Old Genius Proves Hawking Wrong About God Fake Messiah 7 2371 April 16, 2019 at 8:13 pm
Last Post: Succubus
  Quantum Physics Proves God’s Existence blue grey brain 15 4700 January 2, 2019 at 11:08 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Popcorn Proves Poppy the Pop Corn God. The Valkyrie 67 23852 May 16, 2018 at 5:04 pm
Last Post: brewer
  Free gift. Chad32 32 10453 May 8, 2018 at 3:26 pm
Last Post: Astreja
  Being Catholic isn't an ethnic thing. Joods 0 1313 March 12, 2018 at 8:36 am
Last Post: Joods



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)