RE: Hey Min
April 28, 2011 at 11:58 am
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2011 at 12:00 pm by Minimalist.)
Oh, yeah...you have got to get those videos back online....among others, G-C would lose what's left of his fucking mind.
Complex question, though. Josephus does make a reference to JtB around 36 being killed in the narrative but Josephus is famous for his digressions. However, he says nothing about JtB being upset about any marriage of Antipas' he just sort of hints that he was a general troublemaker. Of course, at this precise point in time Judaea was a separate country from Galilee where Antipas ruled being a prefecture of Rome and still under Prefect, Pontius Pilatus which means that JtB must have moved to Galilee to do his rabble-rousing. It would have been dangerous to be seen as a rebel in Roman territory!
Josephus suggests that when Antipas married Herodias he first had to divorce the daughter of Aretas IV of Nabatea. Aretas then attacked into Antipas' territory and Tiberius ordered his newly appointed governor of Syria, Lucius Vitellius, to take two legions and go after him. We know that Vitellius was not consul until 34 and thus would not even have been eligible to govern Syria until he finished his term in 35. Thus, it cannot be before mid-35 that he would even have been on station and one has to think that with Parthia and Armenia to his front he would have had bigger fish to fry at first than worry about a shithole like Judaea.
Events suggest that Vitellius began his action against Aretas in 36. We know that at some point he went through Judaea and removed Pilatus as prefect and Caiaphas as high priest. When Tiberius died in 37, Vitellius suspended his campaign awaiting further instructions from Caligula.
I'll see if I can find the reference for you after breakfast. I think Pete Kirby's "Early Jewish Writings" site is back up.
It is the gospel accounts which all agree that 'jesus' started his ministry when JtB was arrested and since THEY claim he was arrested because of his opposition to Antipas and Herodias' marriage that must have been in the period 34-35 at the earliest. Josephus merely gives us dates and facts related to the wedding and subsequent military actions but if you compare the two it seems that had 'jesus' existed and done anything it would have been in the mid-30's AD but not later than Passover 36 which fell on March 30 that year.
Complex question, though. Josephus does make a reference to JtB around 36 being killed in the narrative but Josephus is famous for his digressions. However, he says nothing about JtB being upset about any marriage of Antipas' he just sort of hints that he was a general troublemaker. Of course, at this precise point in time Judaea was a separate country from Galilee where Antipas ruled being a prefecture of Rome and still under Prefect, Pontius Pilatus which means that JtB must have moved to Galilee to do his rabble-rousing. It would have been dangerous to be seen as a rebel in Roman territory!
Josephus suggests that when Antipas married Herodias he first had to divorce the daughter of Aretas IV of Nabatea. Aretas then attacked into Antipas' territory and Tiberius ordered his newly appointed governor of Syria, Lucius Vitellius, to take two legions and go after him. We know that Vitellius was not consul until 34 and thus would not even have been eligible to govern Syria until he finished his term in 35. Thus, it cannot be before mid-35 that he would even have been on station and one has to think that with Parthia and Armenia to his front he would have had bigger fish to fry at first than worry about a shithole like Judaea.
Events suggest that Vitellius began his action against Aretas in 36. We know that at some point he went through Judaea and removed Pilatus as prefect and Caiaphas as high priest. When Tiberius died in 37, Vitellius suspended his campaign awaiting further instructions from Caligula.
I'll see if I can find the reference for you after breakfast. I think Pete Kirby's "Early Jewish Writings" site is back up.
It is the gospel accounts which all agree that 'jesus' started his ministry when JtB was arrested and since THEY claim he was arrested because of his opposition to Antipas and Herodias' marriage that must have been in the period 34-35 at the earliest. Josephus merely gives us dates and facts related to the wedding and subsequent military actions but if you compare the two it seems that had 'jesus' existed and done anything it would have been in the mid-30's AD but not later than Passover 36 which fell on March 30 that year.
