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Telling fact from fiction
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RE: Telling fact from fiction
(July 16, 2016 at 4:10 am)robvalue Wrote: Fair enough.

This is meant to be a first pass, a smell test. A way to look for obvious fiction. It's not meant to validate the accounts any further than that. We're just comparing believable to non-believable.

You're comparing believable to non-believable, and your fist criterion is whether or not the events the narrative recounts are believable? That seems rather circular. It also begs the question when applied to religious texts. If you're an atheist, you might see this as a win. If you're a theist, you might see this as biased instead. So it is a politically loaded principle.

There are no general indicators that something is fact. Only negative indicators that something doesn't comport with reality as we know it, which may be very different for different people. Your principles are geared toward identifying something as fiction, only. They say very little about whether or not an account is fact. That requires a different approach. Looking up independent attestations. Comparing our acceptance of events to our acceptance of other similar events. And so on. So you're not really teaching how to tell fact from fiction, but rather fiction from bad fiction.
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Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:21 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:27 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:34 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:29 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:35 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:42 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:40 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Ravenshire - July 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Thumpalumpacus - July 16, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:48 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:52 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:50 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:07 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2016 at 4:08 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:10 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:13 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Angrboda - July 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:13 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:18 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:24 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2016 at 4:36 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:51 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:55 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Homeless Nutter - July 16, 2016 at 5:00 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:58 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:59 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Athene - July 16, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 16, 2016 at 8:24 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 8:39 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by vorlon13 - July 16, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 17, 2016 at 1:35 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 17, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Foxaèr - July 17, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 17, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 12:55 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2016 at 2:06 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 7:34 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 19, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 19, 2016 at 9:04 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Foxaèr - July 19, 2016 at 9:09 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 19, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Spirian - July 19, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Valkyrie - July 19, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by madog - July 19, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Gemini - July 19, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 9:25 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 20, 2016 at 2:09 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 20, 2016 at 9:23 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 20, 2016 at 10:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 20, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 21, 2016 at 3:12 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 7:04 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 8:15 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 22, 2016 at 7:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 22, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 23, 2016 at 9:51 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by KJV-reader - July 21, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 8:20 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Cyberman - July 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 2:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 2:01 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by madog - July 21, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by paulpablo - July 21, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 2:45 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 8:08 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 9:51 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 22, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 10:31 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 22, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 23, 2016 at 2:14 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Cyberman - July 23, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Angrboda - July 23, 2016 at 4:56 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 8:14 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 23, 2016 at 5:20 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 8:19 pm

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