(May 2, 2011 at 5:30 pm)darkblight Wrote: but what evidence can you give me other than xxx book to prove that Plato existed.
I've heard this objection before and there are two problems with it:
First, this is comparing apples to oranges. Plato wasn't a demigod of a religion come to earth (Hercules, Perseus, etc) or the subject of folklore (King Arthur, Beowulf, etc), he was a philosopher. The same kind of religious and folklore mechanics aren't at work here. In other words, there was no movement of Platoists who prayed to a celestial Plato for redemption nor are there any epic myths of him completing the quest of finding the maguffin so he could slay the foosil. They simply respected the mortal man for the philosophies he created. There was neither a motive to make him up nor a process of urban legend to create him.
Second, people who knew Plato, who were part of the school founded by him, wrote down what he taught, not 40 years later in accounts laden with unlikely supernatural claims, but simply what he taught.
So no, I don't have a double standard with Plato. This is simply extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence while mundane claims are accepted with mundane evidence.
Quote:wasn't christ mentioned in multiple religions, not a rhetoric question.
One religion that I know of: Islam. This religion came six centuries later and seems like an offshoot.
The Jews had nothing to say on Jesus until about 300 AD, and even this Talmudic reference might not be about the same "Yeshua".
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