(May 3, 2011 at 9:05 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:(May 2, 2011 at 11:04 pm)RDK Wrote: Maybe the numbering of our current calender is of some importance. How many nobodies get there birthday enumerated around the world.
Min's already dispensed with this one. They came up with the date in the 6th century.
Quote:2. Jesus taught wisdom about love and kindness that is admireable
Luke 12:51 Do you think I have come to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but hostility!
Luke 14:26 If anyone does not hate his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and yes, even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
Quote:3. Jesus did not want us to kill anybody
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. (This was the parable of the talents but the king is a metaphor for Jesus in his reign).
Matthew 10:34 I have not come to bring peace but a sword.
Quote:4. Forgiveness is a wonderful concept and only someone filled with love would want to demonstrate that.
Following his rejection in certain cities, Jesus was known to condemn them all. Hardly forgiving or someone filled with love:
Matthew 11:21-24 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
Quote: 5. This man was humble.Chapter and verse?
Quote:6. The wonderful concepts and ways to live that Jesus displayed are too true to come from someone who would lie about the rest of what He taught.Mark 4:10-12 When he was alone, those around him and the Twelve asked him about the parables. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: 'But to those on the outside, everything comes in parables so that they may look and look but never perceive, listen and listen but never understand.'
(Sounds like a deceptive guy to me)
Quote:If a man taught about standards that we have to struggle to accomplish, even if we know the ideals are true, where did His great wisdom come from.Ancient Greek philosophers and the Old Testament.
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself:
Quote:Jesus did not teach the old testament.Matthew 5:18 In truth I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even the smallest stroke of a letter will pass away from The Law.
Matthew 5:20 I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses the experts in The Law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Quote:What liar would spend so much of His life teaching all of these ideals.Ever seen "The Road to El Dorado"?
The movie features two rogues, Miguel and Tulio who find themselves proclaimed gods by the hidden tribe of El Dorado. At first, their plan is to use their divine influence to steal as much gold as they can. Pretty shifty characters, right? But then Miguel connects with the people and sees a cruel religion in place. He preaches an end to sacrifices, denounces the priests and creates a more loving and gentle religion in its place.
This movie wasn't intended to establish any arguments about Jesus. It was intended to entertain. Nonetheless, it underscores how Liar, Lunatic, Lord trilemma is a false one. People who tell lies are capable of feeling compassion and creating rules that admonish love and peace.
The entire technique of the trilemma is to start with a desired conclusion, over simplify to create a limited number of alternatives and then strawman the alternatives to lead to the desired conclusion.
Good show DeistPaldin!