Evidence for Jesus Christ?

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@DP- A lifetime of worship has no weight on your entrance to heaven.

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I'm pretty sure from the amount of cynicism in your post that your acceptance and desire is disingenuous.

Im always open for accepting forgiveness and reciving forgiveness on many topics and actions. I'm not a hard ass all the time.

But that's just my observation, your relationship with God is between you and him, and if you have then good for you.

Wait..My relationship with God? Why do I have to have a relationship with someone in order to be forgiven? All I did was ask and accept forgiveness. I also honestly asked and accepted his forgiveness back when I was a believer. What is it that i have to do to convince YOU that I have accepted forgiveness? Change my entire life? Reflect YOUR views and beliefs? What does ANY of that have to do with true forgiveness. As I have said before, forgiveness is a gift. Hell, even the bible says it is such.

The analogy was a really simple one, it's obvious you're unwilling to accept anything. But to continue to answer your question:

Fine. What do I have to do to convince YOU that I have accepted his forgiveness...and more than once.

Forgiveness
1. Act of forgiving; state of being forgiven.
an act implies cause and effect (ie. I offer, you accept)

What? That isnt anywhere near the context of the definitiion... Fine. He offered, and I accepted.

2. disposition or willingness to forgive.
being willing to forgive is one person's side to it. When dealing with people I can be willing to forgive them just as you said you were to me, but without their implied acceptance there is no relationship it's one-sided. In that sense then God forgives everyone.

How is a mandatory relationship with the one giving forgiveness any part of the definition of forgiveness? Thats coercion, not forgiveness.

Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, rewards, or intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. In law, coercion is codified as the duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced. Torture is one of the most extreme examples of coercion i.e. severe pain is inflicted until the victim provides the desired information.

Coercion is the bread and butter of blackmail. In fact the two are so closely related it is difficult to tell them apart except that blackmail deals somewhat specifically with some sort of value payment to avoid punishment through injurious revelations. Which is still relevant in this discussion.

Forgiving:
1. to grant pardon for or remission of (an offense, debt, etc.); absolve.
The pardon has been given and the ransom has been paid

Ransom? And you say it isnt blackmail when at the same time you are using words related to it? Forgiveness has no strings attached, never have, never will. Forgiveness is a free gift.

2. to give up all claim on account of; remit (a debt, obligation, etc.).
remitting is an act of absolving. It implies cause and effect see 1. above
And if I handed you a letter of pardon, would you take it or say no thanks? It very clearly does imply acceptance

It does not very clearly imply acceptance and it never did. Your notes and additions clearly implied it.

I honestly don't even see a correlation with blackmail at all, you must be a really good absurdist, because any correlation to blackmail would be absurd.

Because you are too emotionally tied to the subject. You also have got absurdism dead wrong. Absurdism is the relationship between a caring human in an uncaring cosmos. The human who thinks life has value in a Cosmos that shows no preference for human values. Absurdism deals with how humanity should approach this problem.

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You don't have to convince me of anything. My opinion of your acceptance of Christ has no bearing on your personal salvation.

As far as acceptance and relationship. I'll further your comparison to a gift. If I give you a gift for your birthday do you haveto open it? No. Can you claim it's actually your gift without accepting it from me? Not really. I can offer gifts to you all day long and you doin't have to open or use any of them. It's not your gift though until you can accept it. You could accept it take it from my hands and throw it in the trash, if you like. It's yours and once you accept it you can do with it what you like.

Fear of punishment (how would you fear nothing?), long for reward(no one knows what awaits absolutlely, so why bother wishing?) or any form of applied force isn't how or why I worship, nor do I advocate. You're right though, those that teach that those things matter are using coersion. I however don't think that it's a blanket involuntary coersion which is in your definition. I don't think anyone is forcing you to go to church to accept Jesus, and if they are they're wrong in my book. It's most certainly not blackmail. People may feel it is because they were hellfired & brimstoned out of the church, but really what would an all powerful omnipotent being really need from us?

As far as absurdism, I claim 0 knowledge of absurdism or it's adherents, it was a baseless assertion and a poor joke.

As far as your claim of acceptance, if you claim it's been offered and you accepted it, doesn't that imply that you believe Jesus exists, has a deistic role and has the power to offer forgiveness? Wouldn't that make you a theist? As you've not changed your claim of atheism I doubt you could actually support your logical acceptance genuinely.