RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
May 6, 2011 at 11:52 am
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2011 at 11:53 am by thesummerqueen.)
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: I cant see how anyone could possibly question Jesus’s existence, the bibles, the millions of books that were written, the records that were kept still remain to this day, just not the their original format.
"Not in their original format" - translation: somebody wrote something down...dunno if it's the original thing or not.
Hey...where'd you get that "millions" number?
Oh, and what "records" that were from the same time - the same decade even - as Jesus still survive? I mean the ones that actually reference the J-dude.
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: You could question the miracles, that’s fair enough, or question the crucifixion and the resurrection yes, but his existence, there shouldn’t be any doubt.Why is that?
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: 1billion people wouldn’t be following a fictional character and a fictional character would not be one of the, if not THE most influential person ever to grace this earth.Argumentum ad populum. That's a fallacy you know. PS: Harry Potter seems to be doing pretty well, as do several "fictional" characters in the food business.
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: Athiests are fixed on asking for ‘Evidence’ in order to prove gods/jesus existence, yet nearly everything you believe yourself doesn’t have any evidence to support it, it all depende on how you perceive evidence.
Are we arguing the definition of "evidence" now?
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: To you guys, an apes skull from 1million years ago is evidence of ape-human evolution, which if looked at logically, is a much further stretch for the evidence then that of the bible and jesus.
Not really... that handy tool called "science" which is supposed to eliminate all possible bias seems to have done a handy job at supporting the theory of evolution, yet it keeps coming up empty on the Bible.
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: It would be almost impossible to prove Jesus, or moses existence physically as you request, since your going back pretty far in history for any organic material to be preserved, most buildings from those days dnt stand today, everythings been blown up and rebuilt hundreds of times over since then.
We don't seem to have a problem 'proving' the existence of certain Egyptians from WAY further back than Jesus or Moses.
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: You atheists are so adamant on proofs, yet you fail to observe any proofs for your own beliefs.Atheists don't have beliefs. Humanists have beliefs. As a humanist, if I were to argue my position to you, I would have to defend my beliefs regarding humanism. I don't have to defend an "unbelief" in god/s.
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: Ie according to professor hawkings, IF the expansion rate of the universe after the big bang (or beginning of time) had varied by 0.00000000000000000001% then stars could not form. Too slow and the universe would cave in on itself too fast and matter would have scattered everywhere, don’t forget gravity is a VERY week force.
Mathematically and scientifically this is not an act of a random explosion, it IS a controlled explosion, but controlled by who?
One of you sexy science boys want to explain wtf he's talking about here and how it represents a "controlled explosion"?
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: You believe intelligence and life somehow manifested itself into innate matter, the earyth was made of rocks, water, and metals, how could these molecules have interacted that caused them to intelligently think for themselves and form more complex molecules which can perform specific tasks.
This intelligence has reached as far what we are today, extremely complex organisms made of millions of different types of micro organisms, each and every one dependant on the other.
Can any atheists in here prove to me or show me evidence of how dead matter could suddenly start forming ‘living’ beings and possess intelligence?
[facepalm] This again?
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: Look around you and observe what you see, shit on the ground which has grown into trees and plants, then that matter transforms itself into animals, and that animals matter can transfer state into another animal and so on and so forth.
If I follow the grammar of your sentence, it sounds like you're saying trees and plants transform into animals. No one has ever suggested that.
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: Then when that matter dies, it is reborn as new life. And it isn’t a small amount of matter, its ALL over earth, matter which thinks for itself…
It seems that this life and intelligence is so adamant on foring newer and more complex life forms, then why has this intelligence in the matter not manifested itself on other planets?
You say because there is no liquid water or amino acids, but explain to me the significance of these elements in creating intelligence?> what is the source of intelligence?
The fantasy scenarios you guys believe in is far more fictional and absurd than ANY religion.
Now I have no idea what point you're making.
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