RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
May 8, 2011 at 4:06 pm
(This post was last modified: May 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm by Dan.)
(May 8, 2011 at 1:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Finally, 'I believe' that the only way you can prove that God exists is if you personally make a decision to seek him and want to know him.
Well, I have to give you credit for being more honest than most of these other jerk offs. Yes, you can delude yourself into believing damn near anything. The OP was about actual evidence for the godboy and your delusions do not fit that definition but, like I said, points for being honest.
(May 8, 2011 at 1:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(May 8, 2011 at 1:25 pm)Dan Wrote: 'I chose' to seek God.
And surprise surprise found him.
If people seek religion then there are more than enough available to chose from.
My wife sought spirituality and found spiritualism, she is absolutely certain that she talks regularly to dead people.
Tom cruise is convinced that the emperor xenu placed extra terrestrials around volcanoes and then exploded them causing 'thetans' to build up in our bodies today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology..._practices
Egyptians believed that the pharoah had to jack himself off every year so that the sun would come up.
The point is that people can totally convince themselves of any nonsence and the only sure way to ascertain the truth is through the scientific method.
So far the god theory has proved to be lacking any kind of evidence to support it.
As such I reject the god hypothosis as a failed explanation of anything.
Delusions are the state of oneself convincing themselves of something for no apparent reason and without any basis or proof.
A Christian convertion is not based on oneself wanting to believe something and thereby convincing themselves it is true, but rather believing in something (Jesus Christ) because of an experience, event or perhaps several. Most Christians chose to seek God and he cannot be proven to someone unless he reveals himself to them, which he will to anyone who seeks him. I did forget to mention earlier that sometimes people become believers that didn't seek God. For example in Acts 9:1-19, Saul was converted after previously spending his life attacking the church. There are also many accounts of people today whom did not seek God but rather God came to them, this video on youtube is a great example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC8DDWZtZjY
Every true Christian has had a different conversion, and this is not something that one seeks, but it is experience, a complete change within. You feel like you have been given new life, like your soul has been lifted up in immense joy, you can feel God's love for you through the Holy Spirit, you feel born again! This is a divine experience, one which God gives to all those who seek or and to those whom he choses to reveal himself. This can not be explained by science, and something that cannot be understood unless it happens to you. Can you explain how my brother felt as though he was floating when he was converted?
The fact is, I do not expect anyone who is not a Christian to understand what I mean or how it feels to be born again, but no one can tell me that there is no such thing. If there is no such thing then prove any Christian conversion with science or whatever.