RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
May 8, 2011 at 11:58 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2011 at 12:04 am by Dan.)
(May 8, 2011 at 10:59 pm)padraic Wrote:Quote:I used to feel hate towards people before I became a Christian, just like you do towards me for what I believe in.
Ad homime response. Perhaps address my arguments rather than making patronising comments about me and your superiority. (implicit:I used to be like you, but now I'm better than you)
Hate you? Mate I don't know you well enough to hate you.I simply think the contents of your posts indicate you are a closed minded and ignorant fool. All that means is that I can't be bothered with you.
As for your claim of compassion,your smug and superior attitude suggest you have no understanding of the word. You simply reinforce one of my life observations: IE People who feel the need to claim a virtue or deny a vice, are usually lying,especially to themselves.
That's all I have to say to you. I was quite serious when I said I don't argue with apologists.EXCEPTION: I sometimes argue with Tacky who I like and respect.
Quote:It's about giving answers to questions just as Physical Science seeks to provide answers for physical truths, apologetics and theology do not have to be opposed to materialism or science
Just so Tacky, nor are they -except of course when materialism or physical science contradicts dogma.
I assert there is no evidence for the existence of God(s) and that it is rational not to believe. That it is irrational to argue the existence of God a priori. I insist that such a belief be a posteriori. THAT is where science and religion/theology/apologetics part company.
In no way do I think I am superior to you in any way, or to anyone, sorry if it appeared that way. I am no better than anyone, even murders, rapists etc. No one is perfect and everyone has sinned, it is my belief and the teaching of Christianity that this is why we can not as you put it 'rationally' prove God's existence. In Christianity, we are seperated from God because of sin / unrighteousness and can only know God again through 'faith' in Jesus who was blameless. Because Jesus died on the cross, as we believe; that was to pay for our sins, only Jesus could do this because (as we believe) he is the Son of the living God and never sinned. Only someone who is without blame can take the blame of others upon themselves. We believe this was a sacrifice that God gave us, so that we may be forgiven and have atonement (at-one-ment) with God once more through faith in jesus. This is the untimate display of grace (undeserved love) that Christianity teaches throughout the Bible. There are some harsh things said in the Bible, that is a fact, which may be another reason why people do not or cannot accept it is true.
As I've already said, it is impossible for you to know God if you do not believe, and because of the sinful human nature, it becomes irrational that God should exist, unless you have faith. Nobody can prove God to you if you do not have faith. That is everyone's own choice to make, and I completely respect that.
@tack - "There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post.
It is true that some so called Christians have diverted from the teachings of the Bible, and have given Christianity a negative and false representation. The word 'Christ'ian does indeed mean a follower of Jesus Christ and the teachings of righteousness he proclained in the Bible. Anyone who does not seek to follow the way of Jesus, is not a Christian. I just thought I would point that out.
