RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
May 9, 2011 at 12:45 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2011 at 12:48 pm by alemcodon.)
Howdy Chaps and Chappesses.
Thanks RDK for the kind words - hopefully by using science and logic we can teach them the universe is not created out of randomness,
i am a muslim so ive heard tens times worse abuses everywhere and to be honest it doesnt bother me anymore lol its become normal to hear people cursing us whereever we go.
my main objectives are to alleviate the hate diffrent religious and athiests groups have. Theres no reason why we can discuss our own opinions in a respectable manner whereever it is.
And i do agree, when you take away god, you take away 'right and wrong' and we are heading towards a moraless society because of this. Being tolerant of someones elses opinion is not something you should be proud of, it should be expected.
Mr SummerQueen
Point is there is written records from books which date back to not long after Christ, the best evidence would be the christian books found in palestine, the actual place where jesus chilled out. but as i said, the roman church would not publicise these books since they dnt follow modern christian ideas, but as proof of jesus existence you cant deny them. It is a written record of his life written by people that were around him.
Search 'old bibles in palestine' in youtube to see more about these books, you cant buy them from woolworths or hmv.
If you actually had anything to do with the science of evolution you will know there are more questions than answers - why have so many animals stayed virtually unchanged for milions of years yet other have grown legs, walking flying etc.
i dont completely disagree with evolution, there are aspects of it which are logical, ie natural selection, but each and every species was not created from random genetic mutations.
There are currently 2 milloin species on earth, and 99.9% of all species have been extinct in 3 billion hears since life inhabited earth. Do the math, thats an average of a new species every 10 years (roughly). In the last 2000yrs can anyone show me an example of a positive genetic mutation?
DNA is extremely complex, a defect in the DNA of any animal will 99.99999999% of the time result in deformities, not two new arms or sharper eye sight.
I have yet to see any evidence of a positive genetic mutation, which should be occuring at least once every 10 years.
Sometime during the european dark ages a line was drawn between science and christianity, this wasnt the case in the middle east, even in parts of europe ie spain it wasnt the case, and just because that line was drawn for a brief period doesnt mean theres a universal line between science and every other religion globally.
ONLY europe in the dark ages drew that line, no other religion has ever drawn that line - and 1000years later your still drawing that line. Ancient hindus? the egyptions, the greeks, the babylonians, the muslims, every other major religion science was a crucial part of every day life. Its amazing how willingly people believe 'facts' without seeing any evidence - just by hearing someones statement...religion causes all wars? no power money and greed causes wars, the religions is just how their labelled.
example you say to anyone hitler/nazis and their first words would be blonde hair blue eyes aryan super race....yet can anyone show me a quote from his book about aryan super race? can anyone show me black slaves in nazi germany? can anyone show me mistreatment of blacks in USA during ww2? Has anyone ever read jessie owens book a bout the hitler snubbing him incidence? i was taught this sheiBe in school as fact, but it was all lies. Hitler never snubbed jessie owens, if you dnt believe me buy his book and read it yourself - in his own words. fact is Hitler was seen as a protector by african nations from the colonial onslaught of france, spain, italy and england 9scramble for africa) - they were all just as greedy and as evil as each other in those days.
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the greatest scientist in earths history was einstein - and he believed in god, more strongly as he discovered more because he fully understood the extremely fine and delicate balance of everything in the universe, which is not possible by chance.
When you were born and you were a baby, what did you eat? the mass on your body is made of the matter which you ate/consumed, yes/no?
So if you following an atom of carbon in a cow shit, which a fruit plant has consumed, and then a chicken ate that plants seed, you have ate the chicken and/or the plant, that SAME matter is tranferring state, in various living organisms - and at the core.....You're physical mass is made of what you eat....
Nearly all the matter of earth has passed through some life form, the very first living cell on earth, then how did it come together? there must have been an intelligence where carbon atoms, mixed with water and amino acids and created the very first micro organism - so theres was an intellignce within the 'innate' atoms...so then why does this intelligence only live in the carbon atoms on earth and not the ones on jupitor?
Clearly from the diversity of life on earth, the 'intelligence' will stop at nothing to form more complex beings, but why only on earth.
and athiests/humanists/non god beleivers would say because theres no liquid water, or the elements of life etc - but no-one has ever explained (including scientists) what is the signficance of liquid water? or amino acids? or nitrogen that allows life.
The atmoms carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen exists almost everywhere in the universe, but life is only on earth...come on sexy science boys tell me....
Napolean666
if my answers scare you then cease asking scary questions.
THOR
Thanks for HUMAN like non abusive reply....
Im not saying you claim that, but if i were an athiests, thats the observation i would have made, and that is the reality of the life around you, atoms joined to make chemicals which made micro organisms, and somehow the energy was harnessed to reproduce..and perform tasks....
A few hundred years ago 'science' said the world was flat and light cam out your eyes - that was the reality in those days....the same as your reality today,.,,.,
moon landings were fake and bin laden didnt do 9/11.....
oh yeah and the first and only athiest government regime, the marxist government of russia..the communists who killed about 100million of their own people.
science flies us to the moon and stars....athiests flew us to communism and back down again...
Thanks RDK for the kind words - hopefully by using science and logic we can teach them the universe is not created out of randomness,
i am a muslim so ive heard tens times worse abuses everywhere and to be honest it doesnt bother me anymore lol its become normal to hear people cursing us whereever we go.
my main objectives are to alleviate the hate diffrent religious and athiests groups have. Theres no reason why we can discuss our own opinions in a respectable manner whereever it is.
And i do agree, when you take away god, you take away 'right and wrong' and we are heading towards a moraless society because of this. Being tolerant of someones elses opinion is not something you should be proud of, it should be expected.
Mr SummerQueen
Quote:Hey...where'd you get that "millions" number?OK that was just like an expression type of figure of speech type thing - dont be too literal.
Point is there is written records from books which date back to not long after Christ, the best evidence would be the christian books found in palestine, the actual place where jesus chilled out. but as i said, the roman church would not publicise these books since they dnt follow modern christian ideas, but as proof of jesus existence you cant deny them. It is a written record of his life written by people that were around him.
Search 'old bibles in palestine' in youtube to see more about these books, you cant buy them from woolworths or hmv.
Quote:Not really... that handy tool called "science" which is supposed to eliminate all possible bias seems to have done a handy job at supporting the theory of evolution, yet it keeps coming up empty on the Bible.
If you actually had anything to do with the science of evolution you will know there are more questions than answers - why have so many animals stayed virtually unchanged for milions of years yet other have grown legs, walking flying etc.
i dont completely disagree with evolution, there are aspects of it which are logical, ie natural selection, but each and every species was not created from random genetic mutations.
There are currently 2 milloin species on earth, and 99.9% of all species have been extinct in 3 billion hears since life inhabited earth. Do the math, thats an average of a new species every 10 years (roughly). In the last 2000yrs can anyone show me an example of a positive genetic mutation?
DNA is extremely complex, a defect in the DNA of any animal will 99.99999999% of the time result in deformities, not two new arms or sharper eye sight.
I have yet to see any evidence of a positive genetic mutation, which should be occuring at least once every 10 years.
Sometime during the european dark ages a line was drawn between science and christianity, this wasnt the case in the middle east, even in parts of europe ie spain it wasnt the case, and just because that line was drawn for a brief period doesnt mean theres a universal line between science and every other religion globally.
ONLY europe in the dark ages drew that line, no other religion has ever drawn that line - and 1000years later your still drawing that line. Ancient hindus? the egyptions, the greeks, the babylonians, the muslims, every other major religion science was a crucial part of every day life. Its amazing how willingly people believe 'facts' without seeing any evidence - just by hearing someones statement...religion causes all wars? no power money and greed causes wars, the religions is just how their labelled.
example you say to anyone hitler/nazis and their first words would be blonde hair blue eyes aryan super race....yet can anyone show me a quote from his book about aryan super race? can anyone show me black slaves in nazi germany? can anyone show me mistreatment of blacks in USA during ww2? Has anyone ever read jessie owens book a bout the hitler snubbing him incidence? i was taught this sheiBe in school as fact, but it was all lies. Hitler never snubbed jessie owens, if you dnt believe me buy his book and read it yourself - in his own words. fact is Hitler was seen as a protector by african nations from the colonial onslaught of france, spain, italy and england 9scramble for africa) - they were all just as greedy and as evil as each other in those days.
Quote:We don't seem to have a problem 'proving' the existence of certain Egyptians from WAY further back than Jesus or Moses.Those egyptions were mummified.... as was this one...
Quote:"We brought the Children of Israel across the sea and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he (Pharaoh) said, I believe that there is no god but Him in whom the Children of Israel believe. I am of those who submit to God. What! Now! And indeed you disobeyed before and you were of the mischief-makers. This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs." (Holy Quran 10:90-92)
Quote:One of you sexy science boys want to explain wtf he's talking about here and how it represents a "controlled explosion"?By your own admission you know every little of science where a number to you doesnt represent the randomness of a probability...yet you 'observe' science has proven evolution and disproven the existence of god.
the greatest scientist in earths history was einstein - and he believed in god, more strongly as he discovered more because he fully understood the extremely fine and delicate balance of everything in the universe, which is not possible by chance.
Quote:If I follow the grammar of your sentence, it sounds like you're saying trees and plants transform into animals. No one has ever suggested that.
When you were born and you were a baby, what did you eat? the mass on your body is made of the matter which you ate/consumed, yes/no?
So if you following an atom of carbon in a cow shit, which a fruit plant has consumed, and then a chicken ate that plants seed, you have ate the chicken and/or the plant, that SAME matter is tranferring state, in various living organisms - and at the core.....You're physical mass is made of what you eat....
Nearly all the matter of earth has passed through some life form, the very first living cell on earth, then how did it come together? there must have been an intelligence where carbon atoms, mixed with water and amino acids and created the very first micro organism - so theres was an intellignce within the 'innate' atoms...so then why does this intelligence only live in the carbon atoms on earth and not the ones on jupitor?
Clearly from the diversity of life on earth, the 'intelligence' will stop at nothing to form more complex beings, but why only on earth.
and athiests/humanists/non god beleivers would say because theres no liquid water, or the elements of life etc - but no-one has ever explained (including scientists) what is the signficance of liquid water? or amino acids? or nitrogen that allows life.
The atmoms carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen exists almost everywhere in the universe, but life is only on earth...come on sexy science boys tell me....
Quote:Now I have no idea what point you're making.exactly....think again!!!
Napolean666
Quote:Get that hideous wall of spam off of my fucking thread.
Summerqueen might have the patience to dissect that shit but i sure as hell don't, you're making far too many 'points' (if they can be called that) to even start bothering with.
if my answers scare you then cease asking scary questions.
THOR
Thanks for HUMAN like non abusive reply....
Quote:Where have any of us claimed that molecules "intelligently" could think for themselves?
Im not saying you claim that, but if i were an athiests, thats the observation i would have made, and that is the reality of the life around you, atoms joined to make chemicals which made micro organisms, and somehow the energy was harnessed to reproduce..and perform tasks....
Quote:Nope. And a few hundred years ago we couldn't have explained what causes the sun to rise and set, what causes rain, disease, the tides, etc, etc.... And your point is.....?
A few hundred years ago 'science' said the world was flat and light cam out your eyes - that was the reality in those days....the same as your reality today,.,,.,
Quote:Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.HAHAHHAHAH thats a good one chap..!! i like it!!!
moon landings were fake and bin laden didnt do 9/11.....
oh yeah and the first and only athiest government regime, the marxist government of russia..the communists who killed about 100million of their own people.
science flies us to the moon and stars....athiests flew us to communism and back down again...
