RE: What God is to the Universe is what your mind is to your body
August 18, 2016 at 12:51 am
(This post was last modified: August 18, 2016 at 1:22 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 18, 2016 at 12:16 am)bennyboy Wrote: No, I do not believe a camera sees anything.I wasn't asking you about your beliefs, though, was I? I asked you if what you called seeing red was qualitatively or quantitatively different from what other matter, such as camera, is doing. It's going to take more than "I don't believe cameras see" to respond to -that- question.
Quote:Show me what part of physics, what universal properties, qualities or forces, can, in any combination, allow for my actual experience of redness. Sure, you can wave in the general direction of the brain. But that's no more an explanation of the existence of subjective awareness than a computer is for the existence of League of Legends.You already asked that question, and I already answered it. I didn't wave at the brain at all, didn't even mention it.......strange, it's the only part of my post you -didn't- include in your quotes, and it's the very first portion of my previous response. I;'ll repeat it, for your benefit. Fundamentally, that matter can interact. You asked, and asked again, what could allow for the experience. If you expect a full or satisfying explanation of the experience then perhaps you should ask for that instead, and probably not to me? I only know enough to dispense with the low hanging fruit that people so often put forward as some sort of deepity.........
How serious can you possibly be about this shit if you insist that nuerology is "waving at the brain" btw, I've wanted to ask you that for a long time. Seems appropriate now, since you've started to repeat it like you're trying to cast a spell.
(I distinctly remember having had this conversation with you before...and iirc..we came to a mutual understanding. Really don't know why it's flared up again. You find all of this "brainwaiving" unsatisfying, for a host of reasons...some that I can understand, and some that make me say "wtf?"...that doesn't mean it's insufficient. You don't like the explanations offered, for a host of reasons, some that I understand and some that make me say "wtf?"....that doesn't make the phenomena inexplicable, even if it is partially or wholly unexplained.)
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