hate the sin, love the sinner

[abaris]

And yes, parents often need to punish their children to instill better ideas or behaviors, but that's not how I would describe a lot of the stories that we get from people who come out as gay or atheist to their fundamentalist families.  

Do they? My father took me aside and told me a story from his own life when I did something wrong. He had a very dangerous childhood, living through two civil wars and the Hitler years. So there was ample room for finding instances of why children should obey their parents at certain times.