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What if christianity never existed ?
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RE: What if christianity never existed ?
(August 29, 2016 at 2:30 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 2:04 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The classical world was pagan Ark...........christianity wasn't a thing until post-classical history.  Muslims didn't cause or contribute to the fall of Rome, islam did not yet exist.  

WTF are you talking about...where do you get your information......?

https://www.amazon.com/Mohammed-Charlema...amp;sr=8-1

During the 1920s Belgian historian Henri Pirenne came to an astonishing conclusion: the ancient classical civilization, which Rome had established throughout Europe and the Mediterranean world, was not destroyed by the Barbarians who invaded the western provinces in the fifth century, it was destroyed by the Arabs, whose conquest of the Middle East and North Africa terminated Roman civilization in those regions and cut off Europe from any further trading and cultural contact with the East. According to Pirenne, it was only in the mid-seventh century that the characteristic features of classical life disappeared from Europe, after which time the continent began to develop its own distinctive and somewhat primitive medieval culture.



...........................................................In Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited historian Emmet Scott reviews the evidence put forward by Hodges and Whitehouse, as well as the more recent findings of archaeology, and comes to a rather different conclusion. For him, the evidence shows that classical civilization was not dead in Europe at the start of the seventh century, but was actually experiencing something of a revival


For Scott, archaeology demonstrated that the Arabs did indeed blockade the Mediterranean through piracy and slave-raiding, precisely as Pirenne had claimed, and he argues that the disappearance of papyrus from Europe was an infallible proof of this. Whatever classical learning survived after this time, says Scott, was due almost entirely to the efforts of Christian monks.

Pirenne's theory is dependant on his assertion that the rise of islam killed Mediterranian trade. Archaeology has shown that supposition to be wrong, trade continued at similar levels to that under Rome. Therefore his theory fell apart and was abandoned.

Idiot.
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What if christianity never existed ? - by Torin - August 29, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Minimalist - August 29, 2016 at 11:59 am
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by RobertE - August 29, 2016 at 12:46 pm
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Minimalist - August 29, 2016 at 12:55 pm
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Aoi Magi - August 29, 2016 at 1:02 pm
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Minimalist - August 29, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by abaris - August 29, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Minimalist - August 29, 2016 at 3:36 pm
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 1:54 pm
RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by abaris - August 29, 2016 at 2:20 pm
RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Pat Mustard - September 14, 2016 at 12:48 pm
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:30 pm
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Minimalist - August 29, 2016 at 2:24 pm
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 7:29 pm
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RE: What if christianity never existed ? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 7:32 pm
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