(September 15, 2016 at 5:50 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:(September 15, 2016 at 12:17 am)Arkilogue Wrote: You're barking up the wrong tree.
Jesus allegedly preformed many miracles/healings witnessed by many at the time, several times. A crowd of 5000 according the the loaves and fishes story.
It was a demonstration of power to the people who needed it.
Do you honestly think that a story which didn't appear until, at best, two gerenations after Yeshua's claimed execution (and for which we've no direct evidence of it's existence for yet another 100 years), and which didn't achieve its canonical form for more than two hundred years more (and even at that the gospels had significant alterations appended. For example Nicaean Mark had no resurrection, it ended on the empty tomb, the ressurection was added to make it agree with the later gospels), is any standard of evidence at all?
For the sake of this question I'm temporarily setting aside that quoting the bible is restating the claim, not providing evidence, as that a whole other can of worms in your theology you're not willing to confront.
And this is why context is so important:
(September 14, 2016 at 5:07 pm)Mudhammam Wrote:Quote: Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Sounds (I dare not say looks) like blind faith is what they were going for to me.
What I've posted refutes the claim. Jesus preformed works and did not ask for blind belief.
You could tell me a unicorn has 5 horns and I say "no, a unicorn has 1 horn."
You say, "but it's all fiction!" and I say, so what, it doesn't matter, you are still wrong about what the fiction states and you have interpreted it incorrectly.
And so have the majority of theists because they eat what the "authorities" give them to eat...to remain addicted and dependent. It's working like a charm.
Church: "No personal experience of father God necessary, momma Church will take care of you!"
Human: "Oh Circe', your cocktails are the best! ....why am I growing hooves and a snout?"
Same dance, different song.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder