(September 15, 2016 at 9:52 am)Mudhammam Wrote:(September 15, 2016 at 9:24 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Well the good thing is, I don't have to take you word on blind faith.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of thing hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
And the from the founders alleged mouth:
John 10:37 If I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me.
38 But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”…
That should thoroughly put to rest this matter.Quote:We have now among us a sister whose lot it has been to be favoured with sundry gifts of revelation, which she experiences in the Spirit by ecstatic vision amidst the sacred rites of the Lord's day in the church: she converses with angels, and sometimes even with the Lord; she both sees and hears mysterious communications; some men's hearts she understands, and to them who are in need she distributes remedies. Whether it be in the reading of Scriptures, or in the chanting of psalms, or in the preaching of sermons, or in the offering up of prayers, in all these religious services matter and opportunity are afforded to her of seeing visions. It may possibly have happened to us, while this sister of ours was rapt in the Spirit, that we had discoursed in some ineffable way about the soul. After the people are dismissed at the conclusion of the sacred services, she is in the regular habit of reporting to us whatever things she may have seen in vision (for all her communications are examined with the most scrupulous care, in order that their truth may be probed). Amongst other things, says she, there has been shown to me a soul in bodily shape, and a spirit has been in the habit of appearing to me; not, however, a void and empty illusion, but such as would offer itself to be even grasped by the hand, soft and transparent and of an etherial colour, and in form resembling that of a human being in every respect. This was her vision, and for her witness there was God; and the apostle most assuredly foretold that there were to be spiritual gifts in the church. Now, can you refuse to believe this, even if indubitable evidence on every point is forthcoming for your conviction?- Tertullian, A Treatise on the Soul
Indeed, this conversation has made it sufficiently clear where you're coming from.
If she preformed external works/miracles I would believe her. But I don't need it. If not, I'd simply listen to what she had to say and make my own decisions. More impressive if she did have a spiritual gift where she could tell me things about myself and inner life that neither she nor anyone else could possibly know. That can't be faked so easily. She'd have to put a chip in my brain without me knowing.
Nice anecdotal and irrelevant segway btw..
I'm coming from the original meaning and function of faith, from the founding documents and the sayings of the founder, not personal opinion, that's belief. .
Goodnight!
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Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder