(September 23, 2016 at 12:26 pm)paulpablo Wrote:No, I'm using the word in accordance to how it is defined. This maybe the ass-burgers talking but to me if you use a word in a certain context then stand behind the word you used.(September 22, 2016 at 9:48 am)Drich Wrote: The reason I ask is because to me it seems as if the oppsite is what is desired. Before you drag out your soap box lets look at what the actual defination of justice is.
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noun jus·tice \ˈjəs-təs\
Popularity: Top 1% of lookupsNow note the definition does not presuppose an out come. Justice is essence is simply the process in which one is impartially judged. To impartially judge someone mean to forgo any assumptions of guilt or innocence and base a judgement solely on the evidence and how it relates to law.
- : the process or result of using laws to fairly judge and punish crimes and criminals
What the rioters want is a predetermined outcome, not the due process of law that one is to be judge in. But again that is what true justice is. the fair processing or judgement of one's action in accordance to how our laws/moral codes are written. Justice is not an automatic verdict.
An automatic verdict of Guilt is the only answer the rioters want. This is not justice, this is vengeance. So then why do they not 'call a club a club' and shout no vengeance, no peace? Or use 'vengeance' as a way to legitimizing hunting down cops and ambushing them? Why hide behind the word 'justice?' Is it because most people are so stupid as to not see the definition of vengeance and been tagged onto the word justice?
The KKK used the words justice and morality to justify their actions, so then what is the difference here?
We have a race centered group of people putting it's collective interest above that of all other people/races in said community, citing 'justice' as the reason the have for morally operating above/outside the law.
My opinion of this main post is basically that you're using the definition of justice quite narrowly.
Quote:You're not an alien from star trek visiting here and you know what the rioters mean when they say they want justice.Yes, they want vengence.
As again justice is a process, and takes time. Not enough time has elapsed for justice or the lack there of to be determined, yet we have riots. The chant by demonstrators is "no justice no peace" which usally spirals out of control into a riot and looting. The media then works to legitmize or excuse the riot for the lack of their brand of justice/vengence.
They want us to forgo the judicial system and execute a cop for killing a black people who in the majority of the cases had commited a crime, was being arrested for outstanding warrant, or would have been arrested for some illegal thing they would have been caught with.
Quote:They mean they think the law is unfair and want it to be fair.Again no. That is the narritive. What is wanted is vengence. to not be held account to white laws and white due process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs6vSIOh7Sk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Qmoiugz7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFguwBCJUU
If this is about being fair or being treated fairly, then WTF does killing white people (general population) have to do with how they are treated?
What these people want (BLM) is death to the majority of the population or to subjugate it. This has nothing to do with fairness it has to do with domination.
Quote:Some don't, some just need a slight excuse to take their shirts off and go around screaming and looting.Again, look at the videos, these are not random acts, but quarantined cacluated calls and responses. a segment of the population is looking to secede from this nations laws and liberties by declaring war/calling for the deaths of law enforcement and white people. "We be out like the Taliban." Independence is what the leadership of this group wants. The rights to make their own laws and answer to their own hierarchy, and furthermore they want even the nations police officers to answer to their rule of law, their morals.
Quote:Personally I have mixed feelings towards these police officers who have killed black people, sometimes I think it's understandable why the killing happened, sometimes I think it's totally not understandable. Sometimes there's just not enough info to even make a choice.
Indeed. for me Sometimes there is not enough evidence... That's the thing though.. It's not about evidence, intent, or honest guilt or innocence. it is about punishing this society for infringing upon a sub culture's morals and rule of law. Which again are all attributes of vengeance and not justice.