(September 23, 2016 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote: Are you saying all black people want collage degrees but white America won't let them have them? That all of the programs available to them are just shams? Oh, wait but your wife works in one of these programs... Is she actually hold black kids back? Or like when I did the same thing does she work damn hard with the kids who want to educate themselves and let the kids who don't want to be there go so that those who want to have an education can be afforded the opportunity because there are only a finite number of people she can help?
Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying
No, I'm saying that there are socioeconomic factors at play, like the cycle of poverty and despair these kids grow up in, as opposed this character flaw you would like to assign to black people as a whole.
(September 23, 2016 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote: Don't be stupid. Not every kid black white or yellow wants to go to collage. few still if their culture does not place a high value on it. In this country the descendants of African slaves have not place the same demands on collage (as an academic goal) say as a people from Indian or Japan have. As a direct net result fewer take advantage or can take advantage of the programs that place minorities in high learning environments. It is simply not apart of their culture.
Again I have worked 10 years with these kids and most of them make fun of those who do well in school, that want to goto collage for anything other that football or basketball.. Not that everyone wants that as people are unique, but at the same time an apple does not fall far from the tree. Meaning if the parents do not have and hold a high standard and strong expectation for school, the child has little hope of overcoming the culture.
So, it's no different than the white kids. Anti-intellectualism is rampant in this country(you're exhibit A for this), and that attitude is just as prevalent in white people as it is black people. Yet somehow white people seem to be able to overcome this more easily. Could this not be because they are afforded better opportunities as a whole?
And it's nice that you admit that a child has little hope of overcoming their culture. Now, if you could only be honest with yourself and admit that socioeconomic factors are extremely powerful pieces of that culture and not as simple to overcome as a parent merely placing value on education. I doubt it, though, because you only seem interested in placing the blame squarely at the feet at those most adversely affected.
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