(September 24, 2016 at 8:42 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(September 24, 2016 at 7:59 am)Little Rik Wrote: Too many people testified that their consciousness took over once their bodies did die and more are emerging every day.
These people were not under the influence of any drugs and their body-brains were declared dead by qualify doctors so your stubbornness in refusing to believe is just your personal mental problem.
Nothing to do with the evidence.
http://www.near-death.com/science/resear...ences.html
Quote:Dr. Tart published an article in the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research which documents the OBE of a young woman who was one of his research subjects. What makes this particular OBE remarkable is that she was able to leave her physical body and read a 5-digit number from a significant distance and correctly give it to him upon return. This is one of best examples of a veridical OBE occurring under laboratory conditions.
Quote:During the experiment Tart monitored the equipment in the next room, behind an observation window, however, he admitted he had occasionally dozed during the night...nor had an observer been in the sleep chamber with her — precautions that should have been taken."
The psychologist James Alcock criticized the experiment for inadequate controls and questioned why the subject was not visually monitored by a video camera. Martin Gardner has written the experiment was not evidence for an OBE and suggested that whilst Tart was "snoring behind the window, Miss Z simply stood up in bed, without detaching the electrodes, and peeked." Susan Blackmore wrote "If Miss Z had tried to climb up, the brain-wave record would have showed a pattern of interference. And that was exactly what it did show."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ta...experiment (emphasis mine)
This is the quality of your evidence? No wonder you need "hundreds" of NDEs to make your case. A lot of poor evidence does not equal good evidence.
Regardless, your claim was that "consciousness survives physical death" -- OOBEs only suggest that unconscious subjects can have clairvoyant perceptions, not that their consciousness survives death. If the subjects were indeed dead, i.e. brain dead, then there would be nothing left to rescuscitate. Yet patients recover with varying levels of brain damage. This shows that brain metabolism was still proceeding during their "near death". This is a total fail. You want evidence of one thing, but you provide evidence of something completely different. That's not providing evidence of the claim. Like I said, you're a joke. This is nothing but a red herring.
Fool.
Physical science or in this case medical science can only understand the physical-mental part of a human.
NDEs go well behind this science.
NDEs deal with spirituality and spirituality is well above the physicality.
Atheists are still dreaming that life sprung out thanks to previous generations.
In this way there is no scope for the individual development of our consciousness.
The manna fall from the sky.
Fool.
Nothing fall from the sky.
Everything is well earned so individual consciousness is the driving force for what we now got.
This developed consciousness never die.
It is an abstract entity that go behind the physical death.
The real owner of all these consciousness is free to do what he-she like most.
He can put the consciousness back in a dead body as already shown by thousand of NDEs experiences
and that dead body live again.
The story that ....... If the subjects were indeed dead, i.e. brain dead, then there would be nothing left to rescuscitate........is just a story.
Nothing to do with what really happen and who is in charge for life and death.