Prayer ... SERIOUSLY?!

[Statler Waldorf]

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unless you can show me where Jesus taught his followers to kill Muslims.

Jesus never told his followers to kill jews, either. Never stopped you fuckers.

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Since you are asserting this is referring to the God of the Bible, prove it. Highly doubtful considering many of the Nazi leaders such as Himmler were deeply interested in the occult which of course is not a Biblical teaching at all.

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I am not bothering going through this whole spiel anymore. I will just answer what is worth answering and I am not quoting as you are a time suck.

You will know what I am responding to.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Don't try to bend it. It is what it is.

Well, it looks like your claim was incorrect, as I suspected. By the way, did you add together the deaths from all of the Inquisitions or are you still refusing to acknowledge that there was more than one?

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Well I thought we were talking about Christianity and the inquisition? How is a verse from Exodus that clearly falls under the Mosaic Covenant relevant to the New Covenant that Christians live under post-Christ? I am sorry, but you are going to have to do better than that.

I made it clear that the figure I gave included the deaths from all of the inquisitions over the full 350 year time period.

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given your atheistic world view, why is slavery and dropping bombs on people even wrong? Seems you have to borrow from my world view in order to even argue against it.

As if I need your god to know what's right and wrong you arrogant fuck!

Prove you don't. Tell me why these things are wrong, just not that they are wrong. Thinking you don't need a higher law giver to have morality is what is really arrogant here.

] Prove it? Haven't we ALREADY?!? I don't support slavery or dropping bombs or stoning women or severing limbs. I don't steal. I don't kill. I don't rape. I don't molest. I don't do things that hurt other people and I condemn those that do. AND I do this all without your church, your bible or your bloodthirsty god - and have been for some time now. There's your proof.

You didn't prove what I asked you to.

I proved EXACTLY what you asked me to prove. Christ! just read above from beginning to end. I'll break it down for you ....
I wrote: As if I need your god to know what's right and wrong ...
You Wrote: Prove you don't.
Thus, since I only made that ONE remark, I only need prove that ONE remark. YOU SPECIFICALLY asked me to prove that I don't need your god to know what's right and wrong. That other shit you tacked on the end there had NOTHING to do with what I said. Pay attention to what YOU write.

I never said you can't be a moral person without the Bible, I said you have no logical basis to be one.

Actually, your ENTIRE argument with Shell B implies this EXACT thing .... That atheists cause wars and great bloodshed because they cannot be moral without your bible. On top of that, you even wrote quote: Thinking you don't need a higher law giver to have morality is what is really arrogant here

Do you see now why you're full of shit?

You alone have done your religion such a disservice with your fucktard ideas and your arrogant attitude. I disagree with Frodo and Tack all the time. Hell, I think Frodo might hates me, but at least those two don't double back on their own words and contradict their own arguments. You're a goddamn piece of work.

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I apologize; I guess I didn't make my point clear. I am going to let it go though because I really don't want to waste my time with someone as hostile as you. So let me know when you have simmered down and maybe we can have a "grown up" discussion.

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Statler, please stop saying logical, being religious is not a logical pathway for your mind. A logical person does not believe in Christianity, who would logically believe in a split personality god? Also remember that morals like not murdering were around 450bc that your religion ripped off. Check out Socrates, the father of ethics. Damn I'm a altruistic person by nature, and I definitely do not believe in god nor a dogmatic religion, I'm just a nice person because i believe in living a good life whilst I am here.

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Well your claim that nobody logical can be a Christian is easy enough to refute. Isaac Watts was a Christian and a Logician (probably the most famous of all time); he also wrote the most widely read work on the subject. Just on this site the other day, I appealed to formal logic and then was told I was stupid. So I beg to differ, atheists are the ones who seem to not want to appeal to logic.
P.S. The trinity is not illogical at all, three beings with one essence is completely fine.
I never said that morals came from my religion, I said that the Biblical worldview is the only worldview that can account for a logical basis for morals; we have the only inerrant law giver. Is that more clear?