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RE: 13 Questions

June 3, 2011 at 6:59 pm

(June 3, 2011 at 7:21 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

[quote='Statler Waldorf' pid='142112' dateline='1307055835']

If people could not come up with the concept of Yahweh on their own, then where did the concept come from in your opinion? Christians don't believe that all of the attributes of the God of the Bible would just naturally be known to someone on an island. However, His existence, power, and glory are attested to by His creation (Romans 1), so that much should be naturally known. Does that make any sense?

Your Yahweh evolved from gods like Ra and Baalal, which is another strike against your religion.

If god is all powerful why did people have other gods for thousands of years before he was thought up.

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Yahweh being stolen from the Egyptians is a claim that has been refuted time and time again. It is also based completely on structurally illogical reasoning (i.e. similarities prove descent).

(June 3, 2011 at 2:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

[quote='Statler Waldorf' pid='142112' dateline='1307055835']

If people could not come up with the concept of Yahweh on their own, then where did the concept come from in your opinion? Christians don't believe that all of the attributes of the God of the Bible would just naturally be known to someone on an island. However, His existence, power, and glory are attested to by His creation (Romans 1), so that much should be naturally known. Does that make any sense?

either you have purposefully missinterpreted my post or you are an idiot.

Quote:False dichotomy.
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My piont was that although people might have found something to worship it would not be Jahweh, jehova or whatever its decided to call it today.
They may worship a lump of rock, their ancestors, cargo, trees, volcanoes, bodies of water.

The idea of this yahweh person happened just once, but was spread quite forcefully by an invading army, (the israelites) and this mutated into the strange beliefs of christians, but it is not the belief that people come to independantly when left on their own it takes a lot of history and tinkering to build the amount of bullshit that christianity contains.

If the religious evolution happened again there probably would be religion, but it would not look like christianity or islam or any of the others because of the complex interplay and development.

This makes atheism the most consistant regligious position. non belief is non belief.

You are contradicting yourself though, you say that nobody would come up with the concept of Yahweh independently, but then you say that the Israelites came up with Him independently and forced Him on other people they conquered.
I would argue that a monotheistic God is a very logical conclusion just by examining Creation itself. I think people could come up with a single, eternal, all powerful, all knowing God on their own which is exactly what scripture says (Romans 1).
I am sorry but atheism is not a consistent position at all, atheists contradict their positions all the time (i.e. Dawkins).

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RE: 13 Questions - by Statler Waldorf - June 2, 2011 at 7:03 pm

RE: 13 Questions - by Zen Badger - June 3, 2011 at 7:21 am

RE: 13 Questions - by downbeatplumb - June 3, 2011 at 2:40 pm

RE: 13 Questions - by Statler Waldorf - June 3, 2011 at 6:59 pm

RE: 13 Questions - by downbeatplumb - June 6, 2011 at 2:21 pm

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