RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 27, 2016 at 12:38 pm
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2016 at 12:39 pm by Mister Agenda.)
Mariosep Wrote:6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?
Now that I recognize you, I'm less inclined to engage, because I know it will never get any better than this. However, let's talk about your definition. It has the same problem with excess verbiage that conveys zero additional information as everything else you write.
Your definition boils down to: God is the creator and operator of the universe.
The universe includes man, so that's redundant. It adds nothing at all to talk about God as a concept, everyone knows you're talking about God as a concept. It's like defining nose by starting with 'Noses exist as a concept as first and foremost blah blah blah.
It sounds like you're saying God did not create nor does God control anything that doesn't have a beginning. I've no clue what you think that adds to the definition.
So, working with 'God is the creator and operator of the universe'. Nothing about how powerful and supernatural and wise and outside of time God is? If the cause of the universe was a mindless quantum fluctuation, would you worship it and call it God? If the cause of the universe was nerd with thick-lensed glasses and zits pressing 'run universe' on a simulation we're not equipped to distinguish from 'real' reality, would you worship him and call him God?
Your definition of God defines anything at all that may have started up the universe is God with a capital G. I don't think even you would agree that the initial hot, dense state of the universe is God. So I think your definition needs work. If you think it's fine, you've done the equivalent of naming your cat God and declaring that you've proved God exists because your cat exists, and your cat is God.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.