Dear Mathilda, thanks a lot for being so nice, I have not met someone like you here.
Now, if I may, we are talking about the it, what about the it is a concept, you know where I am going now.
This is the concept I am going into:
God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the uninverse and man and everything with a beginning.
How do we prove that there is an entity in objective reality of existence corresponding to the concept?
I hope you will continue with me, because I am very keen to exchange thoughts with atheists, and you are so far the best nice atheist here.
ANNEX
Mariosep
Dear colleagues here, I fear that this thread could be locked up when the posts here are getting into irrelevancies and flippancies.
So, as Asmodee has not yet reported here, I will pursue my purpose here which is to get your comments on my proof for the existence of God.
May I request that we all take up with an academic mood by which if we were in an academic environment we would take care to think as to deliver our thoughts without showing signs of irrelevancies and flippancies - that is a most enticing temptation afforded by the anonymity of the internet.
So, may I request that we go into the work to think up what it is to prove that something exists in objective reality of existence outside of concepts in our mind, and independent of our mind?
First, for myself, even to prove the existence of the nose in our face is difficult already, though everyone with a nose, that includes everyone here I dare presume, knows for a certainty that the nose exists in our face; still to think on how to prove it with concepts and words and statements made up of words and redact that all in clear concise and precise language, that is not a simple and quick act.
Anyway, will you concur with me that in the case of things like the nose in our face, the best and most reliable proof consists in you and me touching each one our respective nose and then the nose of everyone else?
At this point there will always be someone who insists that he is not sure he exists in objective reality of existence, much less his nose if any at all, how do we dare with him?
Mathilda
MariosepMathilda says:
That is very good. But pray, what is the it you are not capable of measuring or demonstrating that it exists, does it have a name?
The it being anything that can't be measured. Whether it is God, space unicorns, a soul, ghosts or non-corporeal hyper-dimensional waffle makers.
If it has no discernible effect on reality then you can't prove that it exists.
Now, if I may, we are talking about the it, what about the it is a concept, you know where I am going now.
This is the concept I am going into:
God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the uninverse and man and everything with a beginning.
How do we prove that there is an entity in objective reality of existence corresponding to the concept?
I hope you will continue with me, because I am very keen to exchange thoughts with atheists, and you are so far the best nice atheist here.
ANNEX
Mariosep
Dear colleagues here, I fear that this thread could be locked up when the posts here are getting into irrelevancies and flippancies.
So, as Asmodee has not yet reported here, I will pursue my purpose here which is to get your comments on my proof for the existence of God.
May I request that we all take up with an academic mood by which if we were in an academic environment we would take care to think as to deliver our thoughts without showing signs of irrelevancies and flippancies - that is a most enticing temptation afforded by the anonymity of the internet.
So, may I request that we go into the work to think up what it is to prove that something exists in objective reality of existence outside of concepts in our mind, and independent of our mind?
First, for myself, even to prove the existence of the nose in our face is difficult already, though everyone with a nose, that includes everyone here I dare presume, knows for a certainty that the nose exists in our face; still to think on how to prove it with concepts and words and statements made up of words and redact that all in clear concise and precise language, that is not a simple and quick act.
Anyway, will you concur with me that in the case of things like the nose in our face, the best and most reliable proof consists in you and me touching each one our respective nose and then the nose of everyone else?
At this point there will always be someone who insists that he is not sure he exists in objective reality of existence, much less his nose if any at all, how do we dare with him?
Mathilda
MariosepMathilda says:
That is very good. But pray, what is the it you are not capable of measuring or demonstrating that it exists, does it have a name?
The it being anything that can't be measured. Whether it is God, space unicorns, a soul, ghosts or non-corporeal hyper-dimensional waffle makers.
If it has no discernible effect on reality then you can't prove that it exists.
