RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 28, 2016 at 11:39 am
(October 27, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:MysticKnight Wrote:Yes I do. I stated these proofs in summary. I've gone through them in details arguing from the soundness of each premise and valid structure with true premises. If you are interested to go through them, shoot me a pm. We can go through any of them.
You have time to go through them with me in detail in PM, but don't have time to repeat yourself in public? How about you just give me an example of the premise you are most confident is true? If you can show me one that bears scrutiny, I'll accommodate your odd request to go to PM where no one but us and the moderators can see our conversation.
We require perception. Either we are that perception that sees us as we truly are or something else sees us as we truly are, and maintains who we are. The reason we require percpetion is because consciousness is unlike physical thing, it requires a perceiver.
Either when we do an action, we become the judge and jury of how that action get's inherited to our value and constantly make that action part of our value or something else causes that.
I say the problem saying we are that which does it, determines our measurement and value, is that it would be done inaccurately at best (which makes our value not true in a sense) or falsely on total false grounds at worse (like what a person like Hitler might think of themselves). Another thing is we forget our actions or sometimes don't recognize our faults and bad habits.
Also the way we compare people whether to ourselves or just between people, is a judgement, but I don't think any of us claim we have the exact right criteria that is exactly accurate in that regard. Yet we acknowledge there is a real difference between people so who judges people truly and assigns their true value?
What I mean by that, if there is no judge, then we would not be estimating to what that judgement is. You may say well our judgement is good enough and close enough as it can get, but close enough to what? Good enough compared to what? Even in that, we are silently acknowledge there is a truth.
We have true accourate self of who we are. And everytime we do an action, we are to a degree asleep to our innermost intention and secret behind that action. Yet that is the most important component, not simply what we tell ourselves why we are doing an action.
As many people lie to themselves of who they are and measure others with false judgement, for us to even strive to come to "a more accurate view", there has to be an accurate view that sees us as we truly are.
Now I further argue that if you really think about it, you will recognize the best possible judge is the absolute judge, and in a sense and a way, no one can truly judge us but that judge.
And since we require judgement to have true existence as opposed to simply inaccurate existence and even in some cases total baseless identities people make up about themselves, if we have true existence, then God is required to exist.
So the premise in all this that is argued is "If we have true (objective accurate) existence, then absolute accurate sight that judges who we are in truth is required which can only be God".
If you can accept that much, we can then discuss whether we do have true (objective accurate) existence.