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Dear atheist colleagues, I am presently reading all your posts from #400 onward, and I see one or two of you to mention causation; so I will examine your thinking, and report here again.
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Thanks dear atheist colleagues for your presence and contribution to my thread.
I am asking you to lead me step by step as I am trying to do with you, step by step bring you to the certainty of God existing - in your case, bring me to God certainly not existing.
Because you see yourselves to be good at convincing starting with yourselves, God does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.
So far at this point in time, dear atheist colleagues, I do not see any step by step efforts from your part to lead me to certainty, that God does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.
I will just presume as in presumption of innocence but in our context, of certainty, that you have at least succeeded to lead yourselves step by step, from the concept of God in your mind, succeeded to lead yourselves step by step to certainty that God does not exist in objective reality outside of the concept in your mind, and wherefore you can justifiably label yourselves as atheists.
Next, I have not seen any proof from any of you, dear atheist colleagues here, of anything to be existing at all, from concept to object, that is deserving of publication even just in a grade school campus paper: so I guess you cannot even by way of an exercise to sharpen your skill in thinking on truths, facts, logic, and with the assist of the history of ideas from mankind past and present and also predicted for the future, by scientific speculation fashion a concept of something, any entity with your mind of course, and from that concept you go forth into objective reality to search for its existence outside of the concept in your mind: AND arrive at certainty that there is no entity in objective reality corresponding to the concept in your mind, OR yes there is!
As regards the nose in our face, I have already started with that to show you what proving something to exist is all about, first with things that are within our access by way of our external senses, like sight and hearing and smell and taste and touch: it is by direct experience of each one in a group, touching in the present context, the nose in our face, and then touching the nose by everyone of everyone's else nose: in that way we prove the nose to exist in our face.
That is very simple with things which are accessible to our external senses, but what about things which are thinkable in our mind, i.e. concepts, how do we prove there be objects in the objective reality of existence, corresponding to their concepts in our mind, or there be none?
No, I find no one among you, dear atheist colleagues, having any inkling of such a thought as how to prove from concept to object, the existence of something in objective reality, starting with just the concept in your mind.
In my case I have presented my proof of God existing, proving from concept to object, see page 1, just click on page 1 and the OP will come forth on your monitor screen, showing step by step procedure, by which I have a concept of God in my mind, and I go forth into the objective reality of existence outside of my mind to look for all instances of the presence and action of God, corresponding to the concept of God in my mind, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You gripe continually that I am not paying attention to your refutation whatever of my proof of God existing, you know why?
Because it is all if any refutation at all in your mind: go into research i.e. investigation in the objective reality of existence, for evidence that there is no way any God can be existing in objective reality outside of your mind.
That is the misapprehension in your heart and mind that just thinking all in your mind with words and concepts. you can already refute God to be non-existant in objective reality of existence outside, merely by your MANIPULATION of words and concepts all in your mind.
Dear atheist colleagues, I am presently reading all your posts from #400 onward, and I see one or two of you to mention causation; so I will examine your thinking, and report here again.
I will put the paragraph above at the top of this message, so that you will not be griping again that I talk a lot but do not attend to your posts I mean your thinking.
Dear atheist colleagues, I am presently reading all your posts from #400 onward, and I see one or two of you to mention causation; so I will examine your thinking, and report here again.
____________________
Thanks dear atheist colleagues for your presence and contribution to my thread.
I am asking you to lead me step by step as I am trying to do with you, step by step bring you to the certainty of God existing - in your case, bring me to God certainly not existing.
Because you see yourselves to be good at convincing starting with yourselves, God does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.
So far at this point in time, dear atheist colleagues, I do not see any step by step efforts from your part to lead me to certainty, that God does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.
I will just presume as in presumption of innocence but in our context, of certainty, that you have at least succeeded to lead yourselves step by step, from the concept of God in your mind, succeeded to lead yourselves step by step to certainty that God does not exist in objective reality outside of the concept in your mind, and wherefore you can justifiably label yourselves as atheists.
Next, I have not seen any proof from any of you, dear atheist colleagues here, of anything to be existing at all, from concept to object, that is deserving of publication even just in a grade school campus paper: so I guess you cannot even by way of an exercise to sharpen your skill in thinking on truths, facts, logic, and with the assist of the history of ideas from mankind past and present and also predicted for the future, by scientific speculation fashion a concept of something, any entity with your mind of course, and from that concept you go forth into objective reality to search for its existence outside of the concept in your mind: AND arrive at certainty that there is no entity in objective reality corresponding to the concept in your mind, OR yes there is!
As regards the nose in our face, I have already started with that to show you what proving something to exist is all about, first with things that are within our access by way of our external senses, like sight and hearing and smell and taste and touch: it is by direct experience of each one in a group, touching in the present context, the nose in our face, and then touching the nose by everyone of everyone's else nose: in that way we prove the nose to exist in our face.
That is very simple with things which are accessible to our external senses, but what about things which are thinkable in our mind, i.e. concepts, how do we prove there be objects in the objective reality of existence, corresponding to their concepts in our mind, or there be none?
No, I find no one among you, dear atheist colleagues, having any inkling of such a thought as how to prove from concept to object, the existence of something in objective reality, starting with just the concept in your mind.
In my case I have presented my proof of God existing, proving from concept to object, see page 1, just click on page 1 and the OP will come forth on your monitor screen, showing step by step procedure, by which I have a concept of God in my mind, and I go forth into the objective reality of existence outside of my mind to look for all instances of the presence and action of God, corresponding to the concept of God in my mind, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You gripe continually that I am not paying attention to your refutation whatever of my proof of God existing, you know why?
Because it is all if any refutation at all in your mind: go into research i.e. investigation in the objective reality of existence, for evidence that there is no way any God can be existing in objective reality outside of your mind.
That is the misapprehension in your heart and mind that just thinking all in your mind with words and concepts. you can already refute God to be non-existant in objective reality of existence outside, merely by your MANIPULATION of words and concepts all in your mind.
Dear atheist colleagues, I am presently reading all your posts from #400 onward, and I see one or two of you to mention causation; so I will examine your thinking, and report here again.
I will put the paragraph above at the top of this message, so that you will not be griping again that I talk a lot but do not attend to your posts I mean your thinking.
