I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[Mariosep]

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#486 one hour ago

Dear Operator, I welcome you to my thread here, you are a fresh draft of air, thanks for your presence and contribution; please do not leave me.

While I am waiting for Simon Moon to show up, I will chat with you.

You are asking, "So then who created god?

   Mariosep Wrote: (#1 24th October 2016, 17:27)

   This is my proof for God existing.

   1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
   "God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

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   2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

   3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

   4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.

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   5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

   6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


   What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?

So then who created god? [Bolding by Mariosep]

Dear Operator, read very carefully now.

First, I am not affirming at this point of my reply to your question, "So then who created god?," but just proposing or supposing or suggesting that God is in my concept a being that is not caused, but He exists from His own essence, meaning He is essentially a being that exists from Himself, by Himself, in Himself, through Himself without any causation whatsoever by other being or beings whatsover.

Keep in my what I just wrote, it is a supposition, a suggestion, a proposition, what I call a conceived thought in my mind, please do not, repeat: do not read it as any kind of affirmation.

You see, it is easy and very natural to say that someone is affirming the existence or the reality of something, when he is just voicing a suggestion, or a supposition, or a proposition, or an invitation to think of that something, all which are in conceptual thoughts in the mind of the speaker.

For if merely voicing out were already affirmation of something to exist or to be the reality in objective existence, then nobody would dare say anything at all, in order to not be pinned down already by socalled fallacies hunters to be already affirming the consequent [whatever that is] - which attitude is I submit very unreasonable altogether.

So, dear Operator, when you continue in this thread and also contribute actively with thinking on truths, facts, logic, and with the assist of the history of ideas with mankind, you will eventually come to my proof that God is (watch out, don't jump up now and shout "affirming the consequent, affirming the consequent, affirming the consequent...") a being that exists from itself, by itself, through itself, in itself (watch out, don't jump up now and shout "affirming the consequent, affirming the consequent, affirming the consequent...").

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Dear atheist colleague Ham, thanks for your presence and contribution to my thread, and your not abandoning threads.


Dear Ham, I understand that below is your signature(?).

"I reserve the right to be irrational"
― Gemini

"The secret of happiness is this: let your interests be as wide as possible, and let your reactions to the things and persons that interest you be as far as possible friendly rather than hostile."
― Bertrand Russell

Here, read this from the obituary on Bertrand Russell in the New York Times [excerpt]:

http://www.nytimes.com/books/01/04/29/sp...-obit.html
 
Governed by 3 Passions

"Three passions, simple but strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind."

In those words Bertrand Arthur William Russell, the third Earl Russell, described the motive forces of his extraordinarily long, provocative and complex life. But only one yearning, that for love, was fully [bolding from Mariosep] satisfied, he said, and only when he was 80 and married his fourth wife, Edith Finch, then a 52-year-old American.

Live damnit Liiiiivvveeee!!!!

I treat a lot of things like people (songs, threads, anything I value)... I cathect. And I don't abandon people so...

I don't abandon threads.
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"I reserve the right to be irrational"
― Gemini

"The secret of happiness is this: let your interests be as wide as possible, and let your reactions to the things and persons that interest you be as far as possible friendly rather than hostile."
― Bertrand Russell