RE: Attack Islam, not Christianity.
June 8, 2011 at 10:10 am
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2011 at 10:48 am by Zenith.)
(November 20, 2010 at 7:22 am)Rwandrall Wrote:I've read a few posts in this thread, and THIS TOPIC IS INTERESTING!!
I agree: it currently seems that atheists focus too much on christianity and much less on Islam. And if we look around, Christian countries (where christians are majority) are much friendlier than the Islamic countries (where muslims are majority) - they do not start religious wars now, you can live in such a country without fear, they are opened to the rest of the world. Moreover, christians don't commit terrorist attacks, muslims don't fear that a christian would bomb himself in his mosque and a jew does not fear that he would be stabbed by a christian for being a jew. Currently, the worse thing about Christianity is indoctrination of its adherents, which is mostly (99%) not affecting the outer society, and moreover, the people of the church are subjects to the Law of the state.
But what is Islam now? In Islamic countries muslims bomb christian churches, kill christians, and when they are caught they are simply released because they did it in the name of Allah. Islam currently wages wars for religion, you can't afford to live in an Islamic country happily, you don't have freedom of speech there, and they are not opened to the rest of the world. Muslims commit terrorist attacks, jews have reasons to fear muslims, even in western countries. In the Islamic countries muslims try to exterminate the jews and christians and atheists and they yearn to have all citizens muslims.
And yeah, as about religious books: most christians ignore the old testament (where you find sadistic things, violence, etc.) and look only on the new testament. And even more than that, they listen much more careful to what their doctrine teaches, and I don't know one denomination that teaches its adherents to go and kill people (not the same I could speak about Islam in islamic countries). Moreover, the Islamic holy books are more sadistic and more violent and more anti-women than the bible. And yeah, the Jews hold on the Old Testament, but they have their own interpretations from their sages, and they, like christians, don't bomb themselves in the name of religion, and did not show themselves as a danger for the outer society, while Israel is a very developed country (especially if compare it with the muslim countries) and you wouldn't have feared living in Israel if there had not been muslim terrorists.
And still, the highest frustrations of atheists seem to be on christians. Even black metal bands never mention the muslims in their songs, but instead they only "look how evil christianity is!"
(November 21, 2010 at 9:23 am)Rwandrall Wrote: i know all about that...what does that have to know with anything ? Are you saying we need to wait 500 until they get their enlightenment ? And the Muslims had their enlightenment, they made amazing progress in astronomy, medicine, or maths. And then the radicalism took over.
That's a good point: Islam was not always that fanatical. There were also christians living peacefully in muslim territories in periods of the middle ages.
BUT... there's another point too: it seems that christianity was much more tolerant in the early middle ages (up to 8-9th century, or even slightly later on). As about the Catholic Pope, it seems that many fail to realize that he didn't have the ultimate power always (some catholic popes were exiled - and even worse - by the Byzantine Empire, while Rome was still in Byzantine hands, while the catholic Holy Roman Empire had disputes with the catholic pope and the catholic pope has been exiled, by the Holy Roman Emperor, as a result).