RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 7, 2016 at 7:26 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2016 at 8:32 pm by Simon Moon.)
(November 7, 2016 at 5:40 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Well, I guess it's going to be a long wait for Simon to reply to my post addressed explicitly to him; he is a good poster but subservient to his bad habit of hunting fallacies, instead of doing serious genuine productive thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.
I was out or town for the weekend.
Sorry to inform you, but finding fallacies in arguments is the most reliable method of testing whether an argument meant to support a claim, is indeed a rational reason to believe the claim. You can't have "doing serious genuine productive thinking on truths, facts, logic" without being able to tell if an argument is valid or fallacious.
Quote:That is what I find all the time with atheists, they don't think at all, they just voice out categorical statements laced with insults and cuss words, then they already feel so smug for having produced categorical declamatory utterances, and ending up with fu**’s and sh**’s.
Here's the thing.
We have been provided with every argument for the existence of gods there are. Your inferior version of the cosmological argument is nothing new. We are not "just voicing" out categorical statements, we are demonstrating, using valid logic, why your argument is flawed.
Quote:Here, dear atheist colleagues, enter with google these two words, existence science, and you will see God’s existence come up page after page of hits by google.
Do that and think why, instead of issuing ipse dixit utterances and spicing them with cuss language, and then feeling so smug with having said something, no matter it is so empty and all pure arbitrary declamatory utterances.
There is no such thing as 'existence science'. None of those sites (yes, I checked them all) employ the scientific method.
Quote:Please, at least from intellectual curiosity, enter the words existence science with google into the realm of internet, and see what google will turn up.
And then think why.
Why?
Because believers are desperately trying to come up with reasons for their belief that have the veneer of rationality. But in truth, they are all as fallacious as yours.
Quote:Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Is ...
http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist ... Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous ...
I checked out all 6 reasons. Again, nothing we have not heard before. Mostly they are argument for ignorance.
"I can't figure out how consciousness arose, therefor god". "The universe sure looks designed, therefor god".
Quote:10 Scientists Who Claim to Have Proof about the Existence of God ...
http://www.oddee.com/item_98822.aspx
Jan 7, 2014 - Check out this list about theories and tests conducted by scientists from different fields that are intended to demonstrate the existence of God, ...
Serbians digging into Hell.
A neuroscientist claims he visited heaven while in a coma. Couldn't have possibly been hallucination caused by a his coma? Naw, must be heaven.
Even Pascal's wager. The worst justification to believe in a god ever.
Seriously?!
Quote:Believe in God in 5 Minutes (Scientific Proof) - YouTube
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVm8RokoBA
Aug 2, 2014 - Uploaded by Sinai Speak
His Doctorate is in two fields: Earth sciences and physics. Donate to Sinai ... Scientist found definitive proof that ...
Couldn't watch it at work, but I am willing to bet a week's salary that it does not contain any valid reasons. I will watch it late.
As for the rest, several wouldn't get to a site.
As far as Michio Kaku goes here is an article by a physicist who is also a Christian, who says that Kaku discovered no such thing.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
